Speak Out Loud NA

Friday, August 04, 2006

Scribner Place: Beating A Dead Horse!

It has become painfully obvious that the Scribner Place project has become a complete disaster. With absolutely no help from a dissenting public, the project seems to be dismantling itself right before our eyes.
With the need for re-bids now a certainty, costs are likely to skyrocket given the predictions of most. Plus, any more scaling back of the project will probably buy us another disaster like our infamous Firehouse the Chief is so proud of. So, where does this leave us in terms of enthusiasm and/or confidence in the likelyhood of the Scribner Place project ever becomming a reality?
Let's discuss all the happenings that have surrounded this controversial use of scarce resources of funds, and try to determine if this is just a bad idea gone horribly wrong, or if it's really got a chance of still being worth all they say it will be.
Does anybody believe in Karma?

posted by East Ender at 9:46 AM

95 Comments:

  • Does anybody believe in schadenfraude?

    By Blogger All4Word, at 1:11 PM, August 04, 2006  

  • I believe in the tooth fairy -- or Karl Rove, maybe. Can't tell 'em apart.

    By Blogger The New Albanian, at 1:38 PM, August 04, 2006  

  • I believe in sheer meanspiritedness. Or rather, I believe it when I see it.

    You don't even want good things for the city anymore. You just want to see the people you don't like fail. EastEnder, you're pathetic.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:52 PM, August 04, 2006  

  • The good Lord is hearing our cry!
    Were bankrupt.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:45 PM, August 04, 2006  

  • Lincoln freed the slaves, maybe God will free us from James?

    All we have to do is hit our knees and pray.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:48 PM, August 04, 2006  

  • all4word,
    May I correct your spelling?

    Journalism 101

    Schadenfreude: You do derive from misfortunes of others. Especially "the little people" of New Albany.

    We at Freedom Of Speech believe in Bologna, White Castles,White Chili, Budweiser Beer and good ole grassroot politics. We believe the person who is qualified gets our vote.

    Were all from the old school of Politics. When your promises is kept. And your word stands for something!

    And most of all we believe in "Karl Rove"

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:21 PM, August 04, 2006  

  • If Scribner Place does not go forward, our city faces a serious prospect of becoming Gary, Indiana South.

    These last problems would actually be relatively minor, although certainly frustrating, if not for the naysayers of our city who have turned what should be a "no brainer" community project into a drawn out quagmire. So it has to be rebid and costs go up $500,000. Any other city would just go back and put a little more money into the project. Over 20 years, even with interest, what is that? $50,000 a year?

    But not New Albany. We will have to deal with those naysayers and council members who will use any possible excuse to kill any project they can, no matter how important that project is.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:00 PM, August 04, 2006  

  • FOS is DOA.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:34 PM, August 04, 2006  

  • We agree, wholeheartedly, Blogtastic...something smells rotten in Denmark!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:41 PM, August 04, 2006  

  • Another Gary, Indiana? You mean more like Lake County, where the State took over the Government (little Chicago)?

    This whole politico scene think they are "Peyton Place" and they really are "Harper Valley PTA".

    We've been TRYING to tell you that you need monies for this kind of project and they have been "mis-spent". We feel that is why an investigation by the Federal government is underway.

    Any of it coming back to you? Good. Thanks.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:44 PM, August 04, 2006  

  • The only beating in this town should be the "JACKASS" we have as mayor!

    Democrats Against Garner

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:00 PM, August 04, 2006  

  • Freedom of Speech is taking on the hard issues. Unlike the other blogs.

    I'm a Bud Light kind of a guy. Never tried white chili but it might be the answer to New Albany's problems.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:09 PM, August 04, 2006  

  • 7:34 You only wish FOS would go away. Hell boys we got a new Guru in town.
    It's time to throw Mayor Garner under the bus.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:12 PM, August 04, 2006  

  • Give me a bag of sliders and a case of cold Heineken and I'm one happyman.

    Coffey is cutting deals as we speak along with Garner and Messer.

    This beer is for all the little people of NA.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:18 PM, August 04, 2006  

  • rob sartel kicked valla ann's ass in the tribune today what you have to say about that erik?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:38 PM, August 04, 2006  

  • hey professor erik if you want to save the street dept. I ma sure the union president would let you speak at thier rally, oh you cnat do that thought that means you have to reveal your identity

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:07 PM, August 04, 2006  

  • GROUND CLUTTER, GROUND CLUTTER.

    I, too, believe Blevins, Coffee and Messer are cutting deals -- there may even be one more.

    Watch out and keep your ears to the ground, NA. Whole lot of deal making going on (you see, it's getting, another year and they'll be ready, for City elections.

    God Save New Albany.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:26 AM, August 05, 2006  

  • There has been so much work put into figuring out our sewer problems and how much more money they are going to need(read: want) that it seems unreasonable to keep chasing this Scribner project despite the fact that whole thing has gotten completely out of control.
    One gets the sense that about all it would take right now is one good huff and a puff to bring the whole house of cards tumbling down.
    New Albany is certainly a city on the edge, but I doubt that it's the edge of any "rebirth" for downtown economic viability.
    Rather, we are a city at the edge of cleaning house over this Sewer Utility fiasco.
    Meanwhile, they are down to selling us less project for more money and still trying to convince most of us that it's a good idea to do this thing at all, or at least all at once.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 5:46 AM, August 05, 2006  

  • Give me a case of sliders and a case of Bud Lite. Can't afford Heineken.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:26 AM, August 05, 2006  

  • to anon 9:38PM

    Mr. Sartel actually put Mayor Garner in a bad light.

    Who do you think pays EMC the 2.6MIL? Not the Mayor. That money comes out of our taxes.

    Valla Ann was right. The truth will prevail.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:33 AM, August 05, 2006  

  • valla ann and truth now thats an oxymoron LOL LOL LOL

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:36 AM, August 05, 2006  

  • say dr. erik do you have multiple personalities or is it just multiple professions?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:42 AM, August 05, 2006  

  • Go play in your own sandbox. You seem to have all the answers how about the solution to New Albany problems. But then again you must have enough money to write a check for Scribner Place.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:03 PM, August 05, 2006  

  • Fixing the sewers does not mean you stop everything else. There has to be investment in projects like Scribner Place or the city will die.

    Louisville is going to spend $800 million to fix their sewers. Indianapolis is spending over $1.5 BILLION.

    Do those cities stop everything else in the mean time. NO.

    Only in New Albany.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:12 PM, August 05, 2006  

  • Dear Mr. Sartell,
    Thank you for convincing us further that Valla Ann was right. Beside the point that we are thinking you protest way to much, you don't really expect us to believe that EMC pays for anything do you?

    "WE PAY YOU EMC"

    It's just like a Real Estate transaction. The buyer brings the money and the seller brings, and I don't care on which side the closing costs show up, the right or the left, sellers don't bring money to a closing unless they're upside down on their mortgage.

    Is that what you are saying to us?
    That we are upset down?

    And if so,why in the name of pineapple cake, are you doing business with us?

    You forget Sir, we've already been through this and we know exactly what's going on. Like Valla Ann says, you're spending money like it's growing on trees.

    Enjoy your golf carts and your maid service while I try to figure out how to pay my sewer bill so you can take the boys to LOGAN'S for steaks.

    Love,
    Ms. Concerned

    Wish I could have steaks for lunch taxpayer

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:26 PM, August 05, 2006  

  • What does it take to make you idiots realize we are not Louisville?

    If we had 800 million dollars to spend we'd still be broke, thanks to James.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:29 PM, August 05, 2006  

  • anonymous,

    I am more than happy to have white chili for lunch. I can't afford steaks either and they aren't good for you like white chili is.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:32 PM, August 05, 2006  

  • all4word, all4word, Wherefore art thou all4word?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:45 PM, August 05, 2006  

  • Personally, I am tired of the whining about "sewers, sewers, sewers,", "no monies, no monies, no monies".

    Part of the reason we are in the shape we are in is because the PRESS felt exactly the same way. SEWERS aren't SEXY enough to write about -- forget how they've blown fixing 'em for X amount of years...maybe that's why some of you don't realize we do not have an INFRASTRUCTURE TO BUILD ANYTHING.

    It is certain not this Blog's fault the "sewer plan" failed. For the amount of monies this city has spent, they could have dug all new lines and laid all new pipe.

    It is certainly not this Blog's fault there IS NO MONEY, and maybe, just maybe, the Banks are paying attention this time. Maybe the Federal investigation (no, Mayor, it is not just about the SRF monies) will help taxpayers slow down the madness in spending; or at least put it in the ground and fix the durn thing - hey, what a novel idea!

    Maybe we should rename New Albany to "The Developcrat City". No impact fees -- taxpayers pay all, come on come all...

    No More Money For The Sewers Until You Repay and Fix What We Have That You Were Already Suppose To Have And We Have Already Paid For. THANK YOU.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:02 PM, August 05, 2006  

  • Would love to know why people think the Scribner Place is going to be NA's salvation. What a waste.
    People should be worrying about the condition of the streets in NA. Try going up Market St. and down Spring. You are lucky if you don't lose a hubcap. That subject hasn't even come up.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:50 AM, August 06, 2006  

  • Anonymous,

    The article in the Tribune absolutely backs up Valla Ann Bolovschak's comments at the City Council meeting a few weeks ago.

    Mr. Sartell must have forgotten where that 3.6 million dollars EMC recieves comes from.Does Kay Garry ever send EMC a check from the city? Hell yes, and whose name is on that check? John Q Public...Taxpayers!

    Do Mr. Sartell and Mayor Garner realize this makes Vala Ann's case concerning wasteful spending even stronger?

    The Mayor stated the Fire Dept. bought his truck and Mr. Sartell stated the Sewer Utility purchased the truck and the Board of Works paid them back. So who actually paid the Sewer Utility back for the Mayors truck? The taxpayers did.

    And those shrubs! Mr. Sartell said the shrubs were purchased at the suggestion od the Sewer Board and other citizens. First of all the Sewer Utility spent $4900.00 for schrubs. My question is why did the Sewer Board spend money they did not have and then now asking the Council to raise the rates? And Mr. Sartell, who were these other citizens who wanted the shrubs planted?

    As a taxpayer of New Albany doesn't Ms. Bolovschak have a right or any rights to question wasteful spending?

    And now after all of this the Sewer Utility asks for an 11th hour vote to borrow money and raise rates!

    Who do you think the taxpayers will believe? Mayor Garner? Mr Rob Sartell of EMC? or Ms. Valla Ann Bolovschak a taxpayer?

    The Mayor and City Council and Mr. Sartell not only underestimate Ms. Bolovschak but they also underestimate the taxpayers and voters of New Albany. The citizens are not buying this need of a rate increase nor this 11th hour do or die vote now, worry later attitude!

    Ask yourself one question:
    Could Mr. Sartell be concerned about the EMC contract coming up in Dec. 2007. If Mayor Garner is not re-elected will EMC contract be renewed? 3.6 million dollars is alot of money to lose!

    Was it wasteful spending?

    Absolutely!

    By Blogger One voice, at 6:13 AM, August 06, 2006  

  • Valla Ann is always proven wrong and is wrong again, next conspiracy please

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:35 PM, August 06, 2006  

  • It seems that virtually every proposal the Mayor has put before Council in his term has been in need of a "panic vote".
    Why does he "wait" until a problem is so severe that it is presented as needing a solution IMMEDIATELY?
    Or, could it be that it has all been manipulated on paper to appear in need of hasty resolutions? Hmmmmm
    Sanitation, Stormwater, Drainage, General Fund, Street Department, Sewers, etc., etc., etc.,
    Have I left anything out? I'm just sure I have, but I can't think of the others right now. Still, you get the picture don't you?
    Why aren't the right questions getting asked?
    We want to know how in the hell the street department suddenly starts losing an extra $300K a year, and if it's because of the sanitation privatization then shame on us!!!
    Shame on us for being the suckers we are to ALLOW this type of manipulative 'tinkering' with the City's municiple services!
    Meanwhile, we're about to be taken to the cleaners, so to speak, over this Scribner Place deal.
    Now they say they need another Rate increase????
    We have only one answer for that:
    PROVE IT!

    By Blogger East Ender, at 5:32 PM, August 06, 2006  

  • They have proven it.
    The topic has been discussd on this site for months. How can you say it was brought up in a panic?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:09 PM, August 06, 2006  

  • Ooops...I made a boo boo

    The buyer brings the money and the seller brings the HOUSE.

    Love,
    Ms. Concerned

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:45 PM, August 06, 2006  

  • The only conspiracy is in this Adminstration.

    Valla Ann is a saint compared to Jimmy!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:50 PM, August 06, 2006  

  • oh professor erik, the street dept. contract has been signed and settled so what's that you said about it being privatized?

    Of course they still dont make enough for a night at a posh main street bed and breakfast, maybe the saint will comp all street dept. guys a free nights stay

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:55 PM, August 06, 2006  

  • as they say put your money where your mouth is saint

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:10 PM, August 06, 2006  

  • GLAD YOU EVEN HAVE ANY MONEY MOUTH!
    BE GREATFUL. MAYBE YOU HAVEN'T GOTTEN YOUR SEWER BILL YET?

    MAYBE IF YOU WORKED AS HARD AS VALLA ANN YOU MIGHT BE A SUCCESS IN SOMETHING OTHER THAN TALKING TRASH.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:37 PM, August 06, 2006  

  • a Bush/Sodrel Republican caring about guys in a union, give me a break, what a fake, some saint. You people are so easily fooled

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:07 AM, August 07, 2006  

  • Of which we have two sitting on that Council in Democratic seats, being Bush/Sodrel supporters. Didn't care who saw them get on the bus to Cincinnati and they didn't care if their picture was in the paper. Why don't people care these two have even lied as to which side their bread is buttered, so to say?

    As I told someone before, if you are for someone -- please, hold your head up -- but run on the right ticket. Guess they know they wouldn't get elected if the real trufers were known. And so it is in New Albany, Indiana.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:33 AM, August 07, 2006  

  • calling Gahan a coward eh, Erik? At least he doesnt pretend to be a college professor like you do

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:53 AM, August 07, 2006  

  • Ground clutter...ground clutter...get over it, will you?

    Get a life and pay those bills that kill, will you?

    Maybe you are stuck with your vocabulary, but you really should know by now -- we don't care what you think about "erik", "erika", whatever or whomever they are.

    Start your own blog if you can not stick to the issues, please. We are begging you. Geez Louise. He's a broken record.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:07 AM, August 07, 2006  

  • With yet another ridiculously phrased question in the Tribune, seeking opinions (supposedly) regarding the proposed sewer rate increases, we would like to give a shout out to Yvonne Kersey for nailing the answer, and the askers, to the wall.
    Accurately bringing the REAL issues of mismanagement and unaccountability to bear on the question, Ms. Kersey aptly places the proverbial ball back into the court of the questioner.
    We do, truly, find the Tribune's attempts to trivialize this rate increase request quite irritating.
    Presenting the issue as if it were a matter of a mere few dollars is an insult to the intelligence of the rate payers, and a testiment to the lack of integrity of the local paper. It would be difficult, if not downright impossible, to convince most of the folks hereabouts that the city administration is NOT controlling the "spin" of local news reporting and fact gathering tactics.
    And tactics they are.
    Time to wind up the counter tactics.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 1:22 AM, August 07, 2006  

  • Another LOUD SHOUT OUT to Ms. Spivey for bringing in the viewpoint of the average citizen/rate-payer who has absorbed the costs of management gone awry, and the pure absurdinty of it all.
    For a clear picture of where we are currently, and why, there is a MUST READ posting on the Floyd County Democrat blog.
    It is a concise and accurrate read of the predicament in the sewer department, and the deals that have been made in "bad faith" trying to hold the whole mess together.
    Tommorrow's Council meeting is also addressed with what I'm predicting to be uncanny accurracy.
    Check it out!

    By Blogger East Ender, at 1:48 AM, August 07, 2006  

  • ANOTHER EXCELLENT ARTICLE IS AT Freedom of Speech

    Hope every Council Member reads their name on these blogs.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 2:28 AM, August 07, 2006  

  • What a kick-ass article on Freedom of Speech.
    Now that is what you call real journalism.

    Great job
    Erik

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:34 AM, August 07, 2006  

  • I personally plan to fax a copy of FOS to Mayor Garners office. And add my name in total agreement.

    I suggest anyone who agrees should do the same.

    A New Albany taxpayer

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:07 AM, August 07, 2006  

  • FOS exposed the Mayor yet again.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:18 AM, August 07, 2006  

  • If the federal government came in and took over the sewers, then would we still have to pay? Or would the feds forgive us the $44 million?

    Won't we have to pay one way or another? If not, then where will the money come from?

    Please explain.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:46 AM, August 07, 2006  

  • We aren't talking about that issue. Those bond payments and monies were to have been put away and were allocated by Council when we got the $44 million.

    That is not the issue. The issue is they want more monies because they misspent the $44 million and now say they want to do what they were suppose to do in the first place. Blah.

    It really is confusing, but that's exactly what they want the taxpayer and citizens to be -- confused.

    Heck no, it ain't sexy talking about SEWERS, but, unfortunately, someone has to do that "particular job". The City can't fix them, maybe the EPA will. The City has had oh, let's see, maybe 10 to 15 tries at fixing them. We've given up on them fixing the infra-structure. Too much money involved for the lawyers, to get the bonds and then to fight the EPA and the State. Lose, Lose, Lose proposition.

    That's all it is.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:19 PM, August 07, 2006  

  • I think Damon was asking a good question. What do we do now?

    Assume $44 million was misspent. Assume another 5 million or so was taken out of the sewers and used for other purposes. Assume it was incompetence, criminal, or whatever. It is spent and gone.

    What is the solution, right now? The 3 or so million isn't going to go very far. There may be some TIFF money but not enough. I see a lot of blame thrown around and a lot of brave "Hell no we won't pay". Believe me, we will pay, one way or the other. What is the solution, right now?

    By Blogger Iamhoosier, at 1:00 PM, August 07, 2006  

  • Hey Laura,

    Where's that Dan Coffey article you promised?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:08 PM, August 07, 2006  

  • Do I understand you correctly? If the feds come and take it over, then they'll have to pay and won't charge the taxpayers for it?

    If so, then what are we waiting for nayway?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:51 PM, August 07, 2006  

  • Surety Bonds.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 2:01 PM, August 07, 2006  

  • To me, IAMHOOSIER, and as a person personally visited by the "investigators" twice in my home, maybe we should all wait and see just what is.

    They had "just cause" when they came into town; the situation will be handled.

    We aren't saying there aren't ever going to be sewer increases -- that's simply a fact of life. The feelings we have is I can trust what they are saying to me; I can't trust the financials and if we can convince the State at that August 8th hearing of "lowering" our payments (sure hope it isn't one of those balloon payment kind of things).

    There are so many things going on behind the scenes most of the public aren't in on. I certainly can't offer an apology on that one, we've made our views known.

    I feel we let this all play out and retrieve the surety bonds from the "BIG" Engineers, if there are any; and when you can purchase unlimited minutes for a cell phone for $100 a year, Park's 11,000 phone bill has to stop.
    Thanks.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:39 PM, August 07, 2006  

  • EE,
    Fair enough answer and I will admit that surety bonds had slipped my mind.

    However, my guess is, that proving default will take a large amount of time. Can we wait or, even better, will the EPA wait? What happens if NA loses the surety bond case? Would it not be better to raise the rate and get on with more(or the same)repairs. At the same time pursue the "missing" money, the surety bond, etc. When and if these are collected, put the money in the sewer department and lower the rate.

    If I am missing something else, I am willing to listen.

    By Blogger Iamhoosier, at 3:03 PM, August 07, 2006  

  • Here's whats going to happen, the sewer rate hike wont pass, the EPA is going to come into this town and you aint seen nothing yet folks, just wait till they take charge of the sewers, you will see a big rate hike with no phase in so get ready to get slammed, you people did it to yourselves nice job idiots

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:45 PM, August 07, 2006  

  • It's simply we can't trust them to put the money into the sewers or to do the work. It is that simple. Too many years of listening to whatever, whenver, wherever, if you know what I mean. Sorry, frustrations know no bounds sometimes.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:59 PM, August 07, 2006  

  • GARNER IS GOING TO GET A REAL WAKE UP CALL TONIGHT! IT'S ABOUT FRIGGIN TIME

    FOS DID A GREAT JOB. TOTALLY PISSED OFF THE MAYOR BIG TIME.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:19 PM, August 07, 2006  

  • FOS is a non factor, the prof ought to consider another trade like being an InnKeeper?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:21 PM, August 07, 2006  

  • To Roger Baylor,

    If you had brains as big as your mouth you might be something in this town. But your trash talk'n insults to our outstanding citizens make me want to vomit!

    As the little people say Mr. Baylor. Bring it on!

    Just maybe you have alot yet to learn about journalism.

    Seems like to me Erik is doing one hell of a job.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:40 PM, August 07, 2006  

  • erik cant even spell half the time stick to pastries erik

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:03 PM, August 07, 2006  

  • no sicker than steve price comparing a sewer rate hike to being raped of course he corrected himself and said we were being screwed

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:54 PM, August 07, 2006  

  • As is my custom, I'll write about it elsewhere. I regret calling Mr. Price a moron, because to do so was to insult the good intentions of nitwits who don't have an excuse.

    But I'd do it again, because it's simply inecusable to trivialize "rape" in the context of a sewer rate increase. I submit that being a man, Steve Price has no clue about what rape really is -- then again, prattling on about his miscomprehensions would be considered a virtue in some cultures.

    As for the sewers, the fact that so few of you bothered to attend probably indicates that you saw the handwriting on the wall, anyway.

    By Blogger The New Albanian, at 12:06 AM, August 08, 2006  

  • you lost potty cop, game set match

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:19 AM, August 08, 2006  

  • ground clutter, ground clutter.....

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:27 AM, August 08, 2006  

  • Laura,

    Why don't you attend the Council meetings anymore?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:46 AM, August 08, 2006  

  • How many factions in this town does Fifer represent?

    The City
    the developers
    the Sewer Utility

    How many more?

    Can you say conflict of interest?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:21 AM, August 08, 2006  

  • What was with Gillenwater last night? He was running around advising everyone from the Mayor to the Controller to the accountants.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:35 AM, August 08, 2006  

  • People called here wondering what was up with Gillenwater and why why he advising Kay, the bond people and the Mayor. Same thing asked of me and I couldn't answer it.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:30 AM, August 08, 2006  

  • and by "advising" do you mean having a conversation? Did you actually hear what was being said or are you just talking crap?

    I can't imagine that talking with these people is much worse then passing notes to the councilmen DURING a freaking meeting.

    I bet Jeff would be honored to know you guys think he has that much power.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:28 AM, August 08, 2006  

  • I would imagine the answer to your question about Bluegill is on NAC right now.

    By Blogger Iamhoosier, at 12:24 PM, August 08, 2006  

  • Hey, Ask Randy Smith about the note he passed up last year, all high and might one. Only a select few...

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:50 PM, August 08, 2006  

  • little quiet over at your ego blog erik, i mean public affairs blog, whats the matter did you miscalculate the council votes or was it another conspiracy?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:05 PM, August 08, 2006  

  • Good ole Kochert pulled his my son works for the Fire Dept. I have to vote with the mayor. When will Larry ever learn?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:30 PM, August 08, 2006  

  • i belive its larrys ex-son in law that works for the fire dept. you people are pathetic Kochert did the right thing last night not the political thing

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:40 PM, August 08, 2006  

  • And it just gets better, citizens of New Albany.

    Do you know it came public last night that Meiers had not been paying a sewer bill, because supposedly they had a "fault" meter? The bill they owe is $12,000.00. To top it off, we have a major SSO out at Meiers (sewer manhole overflow) "they" can't figure out.

    There was a car wash that hadn't paid, but they finally collected the money, supposedly, of $16,000.00.

    They "guesstimate" another 430 people are not even HOOKED UP TO THE SEWERS. I say there's more than that.

    Certain citizens were lied to and told not to come to the Council, it wasn't going to pass. The people who lied, a Councilmember and another who said he was legally advised not to. TWO of 'em.

    Lose my name, my number and any thing else associated with me and mine. To whom I am speaking to, ya know who you are. Finito.

    Knowing IDEM was in with the CID division, I hope the meeting falls FLAT on its face based on these false financials. And I sure hope Maury Goldberg prints the "rest of the story", right Maury? Remember, about the money you all set aside to make these bond payments and how I was right about there being no money? It would be of great use and need about right now. Thanks.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:49 PM, August 08, 2006  

  • Council was also informed by Rosenbarger today the YMCA plans to go to Redevelopment and get an "industrial loan" through EDIT money in order to build the Y. I knew I was going to end up paying for that thing.

    This madness has got to stop, and we will find a way; I have my faith and definitely I'm on the right side of the fence. Hang on for a bumpy ride.

    It is a shame that some one will have to go to jail before this madness ends; but hey, you reap what you sow -- just don't come crying to us. Please, just don't make me pay their attorney fees, too.

    Congratulations for more nepotism at City Hall on the hiring of Kay Garry's daughter as part-time Attorney. Keep that nepotism up.

    This time, this time good will win. Too many people know, too many people care, and those sitting on that Council that didn't give a rip about the finances, you're out of there. Mark our words.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:54 PM, August 08, 2006  

  • some one will go to jail and who the hell are you the justice dept.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:21 PM, August 08, 2006  

  • Seems like last night it was cut a deal kochert. And blame game garner with his hands out.

    Need some money Mayor Garner...

    Is your so called supports turning and running the other way?

    Anyone got an extra $50,000-$75,000.00 you can donate to Mayor Garner?

    Say it isn't so Mayor, you didn't blame this on all the previous mayors again.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:11 PM, August 08, 2006  

  • So Fifer pissed you off Mr. Mark.
    Do you think you can hide all them little sewer secrets? Come on fellows can't you at least admit our tax dollars are going to EMC?

    Didn't Kay say I mailed an invoice and were waiting on the truck check from EMC?

    Seems like to us Valla Ann made some money for New Albany the last couple Council meetings.

    Bet MS. Valla could get to the bottom of this sewer mess!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:16 PM, August 08, 2006  

  • Councilman Price was correct.

    Maybe Mr. Baylor is not up on current rape definitions.
    Not sexual rape Mr. Baylor
    (you can keep your little p---- in your pants)

    Rape: Improper treatment, violation
    A rape of Justice

    Now ask the citizens of NA if this adminstration has given the people improper treatment and have they not violated our rights time and time again.

    Thank you Councilman Price for having the courage and the guts to say the taxpayers of New Albany are being raped.

    We all understand what you were saying Mr. Price apparently Mr. Baylor has not had a chance to do some additional reading on the subject.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:10 PM, August 08, 2006  

  • That is one wonderful thing about our forefathers giving us FREEDOM OF SPEECH. For all you know, it is the Justice Department talking.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:10 PM, August 08, 2006  

  • Besides mixing government and religion, which once again we were assured wouldn't happen, the Redevelopment Commission has decided any extra EDIT money coming in should go to back up the Bonds for the Y and our property taxes should back up the bonds for Scribner.

    Now we understand clearer why some of the Council voted the way they did. What in the hey are they so afraid of?

    These bonds wouldn't have been sold in the first place (the one's we supposedly can't pay next year) without money being pledged somewhere to pay for them, and there was and there is paperwork to prove it.

    It may be time to bring Keith Henderson in. He distinctly made it clear he took a cut of those bonds because he needed malpractice insurance for them, right Keith?

    There are moneys missing, a bunch of it. Mr. Kochert knows it. Mr. Seabrook knows it. Mr. Fifer knows it. The Mayor knows it. Maybe, more importantly, the Federal government knows it.

    Mr. Fifer, do you know we have you on tape saying there is a three (3) year time limit for filing those liens for freeflushers, past due sanitation, demolition of dilapidated housing, etc.? Now you say you "don't remember saying that"? Ha. You were also given a list of liens to file two years ago and you never did.

    We asked Mr. Kochert if you ever filed the ones you were told to by the Sewer Board in '03, and Mr. Kochert didn't know.

    We have got to take this City back, people. We are in trouble.
    Let them say we are this and that and the other. Sticks and stones never broke your bones, so let's take some of this stuff home and FIX IT. Personally, I'm waiting on the Feds.

    Tell me this everyone. If the Council pledged X amount of dollars to the "dilapidated building fund" EVERY YEAR, no matter what the balance was - where is that money? Why did they not file a lien for the property at Pearl & Spring, which burned? Why didn't they go after the insurance company? Why did WE pay for their demolition? Do WE by chance know them?

    A million questions, with no answers. It is truly sick.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:36 PM, August 08, 2006  

  • BTW, did you know this kind of scenario played out with the Parking Garage. The Parking Garage was going to rejuvenate downtown and be paid for by TIF. The only problem was, there wasn't enough TIF.

    Taxpayers have been paying $615,000.00 per year, plus the utilities, plus the maintenance for the elevator (ya know) and still are, until 2008.

    We now understand why they didn't want the EDIT money for the Sewers. The EDIT is an income tax which only comes out of paychecks. Guess who gets to pay for the Y? And Scribner is backed by my property taxes. I don't even want to know if it can get worse. Now I know who voted why they voted the way they did.

    For shame, for shame.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:55 PM, August 08, 2006  

  • 10:36 pm

    Bravo ...bravo Yvonne excellent reporting there. For someone who never goes to a council meeting you sure do spend alot of time on the phone. So I say hats off to you on this one.

    Hows it feel Kochert lied to you?

    How come you never go to a council meeting or a sewer board meeting no more?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:01 PM, August 08, 2006  

  • Guess again.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:53 AM, August 09, 2006  

  • They'd probably tell you none of your business. And then add, "the truth hurts, don't it?" We'll pass it along.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:53 AM, August 09, 2006  

  • valla ann doesnt know shit about sewers, stick to pastries

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:28 AM, August 09, 2006  

  • I have to wonder who thought a parking garage would rejuvinate downtown.

    You guys have a hard time thinking long-term don't you?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:46 AM, August 09, 2006  

  • Aw, come on you guys. Don't you remember the Tribune doing a big article about the Parking Garage and trying to figure out who was the "Mom and Pop" of same? Remember the Tribune couldn't decide if England was the mom or pop or Malyszk. Remember it like yesterday, yes sir.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:10 PM, August 09, 2006  

  • Remember the parking garage was another save all downtown project!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:25 PM, August 09, 2006  

  • I truly felt sorry for Roger Baylors wife Erika when he jumped out of his chair screaming "moron" to Councilman Price. The shame and humiliation she must have felt. Enough to cover her hands over her face. What husband would ever embarrass himself let alone his wife like that?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:07 PM, August 09, 2006  

  • Why can't you understand roger we have to raise your sewer rates to fund Scribner Place. We are paying thousands of tax dollars for the accounting firms to tell us that we have to raise your sewer rates to free up money for "Progressive Projects"

    Yes--the progressives want to raise your sewer bill!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:37 PM, August 09, 2006  

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