Speak Out Loud NA

Thursday, February 02, 2006

Where Should We Begin?

There are a lot of issues that we feel need to be discussed, and we are working on a new posting that will encapsulate most of the recent happenings.
Meanwhile, we would like for you to submit to us any topics that you, the readers, feel should be addressed, and we will either include them in the new posting, or dedicate a new posting to the topic suggested in the near future.
Right now, between the broadcasting of Garner's politics on WNAS after trying for too long to get Council sessions aired, unsuccessfully, along with the Police promotions made prior to receiving an approved budget from the State, we are stammering a bit over what to make of the current situations in New Albany.
"Gaveling Gahan" and the changes occurring within, and among, the City Council are of serious interest, as is the issue of possible, much needed, Rental Property Inspections.
Then we have accusations made in the David Camm trial regarding the former Prosecutor that are disconcerting, and may be just the tip of an iceberg when it comes to how evidence was handled during the initial investigation.
There's the barge mishap and the subsequent announcement of orders to restrict access to the riverfront that were later denied by outside authorities that left us curious, as has the news of retaining a problem-plagued former Police Chief at considerable expense to the City.
Of course we still have questions and concerns regarding the Sewer problems and the EPA oversight, and how this will affect true economic growth for Downtown New Albany, and we have some serious problems still unresolved concerning the new Sanitation privatization.
Watching businesses pile up weeks worth of garbage around town is becoming a major sore spot, and the refusal to reveal the partners of the new business entity awarded the sanitation contract is unacceptable.
New fees, rate increases and City spending habits are impacting all of us, and the fiscal picture is uncertain without audit findings and budget approvals in hand.
These are just a sampling of the many issues we feel require further inquiry, and we have a lot of questions, as well as opinions, on these matters.
We look forward to investigating further, and getting the community's feedback on how and why New Albany has become mired in so many unresolved issues.
We want to look forward to a better future with more accountability from our elected officials, and a renewed commitment to a united effort to improve the quality of life in our community.
This will require rebuilding the public trust, making wise and informed decisions regarding economic development, as well as providing demonstrable evidence that efforts of improvements include considerations of the entire population of the City, not just a select portion of the citizenry.
With all this in mind, we are working on putting things together in an articulate and informational manner. Please feel free to add to our list, and we will consider each and every suggestion.

118 Comments:

  • Don't forget to add in who was on the grassy knoll.......

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:23 AM, February 02, 2006  

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    By Blogger The New Albanian, at 9:43 AM, February 02, 2006  

  • Hang in there East Ender. They can't help their sophomoric actions, and that's all they are. If they had to deal with the truth or the issues, they would lose what little minds they have.
    Keep up the good work, and thanks for the space.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:22 AM, February 02, 2006  

  • Sophomoric?

    Hell! I'm a junior!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:38 PM, February 02, 2006  

  • "NA Confidential t-shirt for the dirt cheap price of 15.00." YOU HAVE REALLY LOST YOUR MIND NOW! Make it a buck and I might consider it! Business rather slow huh?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:43 PM, February 02, 2006  

  • What an interesting tidbit in the Courier crime reports today.
    Seems an "employee" at a certain Pizzeria on Plaza Dr. had a run in with a customer which escalated into a shouting and shoving match. The patron was injured after being shoved to the floor, and an arrest was made after eye-witnesses told police what transpired.
    Evidently, there's no disagreeing allowed with that bunch. At least not without being subjected to bodily harm.
    We knew they were opinionated and obnoxious over there, but this reaches an all time low on the scale of "hospitality".
    With the kind of news coverage Baylor has generated lately, and the public display of a free lap ride given to the Assistant Mayor...uh, I mean Dir. of City of Operations...uh, I mean the Preacher of the City administration, oh, you know who I'm talking about. The Bible thumper that was seen sitting on the bar-owner/atheists lap, who evidently has given his "blessing" to bad behavior in the back of the room at council meetings... who needs to waste money on advertising?
    Meanwhile, other citizens are threatened with eviction from the meetings if they dare utter the forbidden "For All" belatedly after the Pledge of Allegiance.
    But gaveling Gahan lets this bunch carry on like a bunch of high school bullys.
    What a mockery they are making of what's supposed to be a civilized Democratic process.
    It's a shame.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:29 AM, February 03, 2006  

  • Yep, its a crying shame, and we all should use that NAC tshirt to wipe the c.r.a.p. off our a****, know what I mean?

    And then we have the "not-understand" rep of the Mayors who makes just an unforgiveable statement on his web site about some of the greatest people in this town, and the elderly tower behind them. Well, hopefully they will long outlast you, Mr. Smith; and hopefully one day you can achieve any type of the good deeds they have done for this community.

    Tis a sad day/nite for NA. Thanks EastEnder. Ain't it the truth?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:40 AM, February 03, 2006  

  • LOL -- About what I would expect from the pro-am hate mongers congregating at this bastion of small-mindedness, but on the off chance that there's a rational person lurking ... here's what I know.

    Handling abusive customers in a licensed serving setting is a subtle art, and fortunately, we rarely have problems in that area.

    Every now and then, we do; it's a fact of life in my business, just as it is at Hugh E. Bir's or the Red Lounge (Frankfort Ave., for the many of you who apparently don't get out much).

    If I'd have been there, I may (or may not) have handled it differently.

    Like all such items in the police reports, the specifics of the case now will be handled by the local legal system, and there will be a conclusion. I trust my employee's version of what happened, which was corroborated by onlookers. We'll see what happens next.

    There's really nothing else to say, but if it makes you feel better, you have my full and explicit permission to hide behind your mask of cowardice and twist the episode in any way you wish, irrespective of the truth -- it'll make you feel better about yourself, and I've nothing to feel badly about, anyway.

    Just don't have a stroke or anything.

    Thanks, my family, opinionator, etc.

    By Blogger The New Albanian, at 8:45 AM, February 03, 2006  

  • And Area 51....guarantee their hiding something out there......

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:26 AM, February 03, 2006  

  • I see Erik the Fraud is dealing in facts today. I know so because Erik so states the these are facts and not rumors. I guess when you deal in rumors so often, you have to make sure your audience is aware when you actually have facts.

    By the way professor, I never did get an answer to my question about not being directly affected by the county elections. Still researching?

    By Blogger Iamhoosier, at 10:06 AM, February 03, 2006  

  • To Just When

    The neighbors who have been speaking out against Gary McCartin's development at the corner of Daisy and Green Valley are for the most part elderly. Over the next few years the neighborhood make up will probably change as the older people leave their homes for whatever reason. If they are no longer there would anyone care what Gary McCartin builds there?

    Even if Gary McCartin is one of the greatest people (according to you) in town does that mean he can do whatever he wants?
    From Concerned Neighbor

    Also, regarding the rhyme, I know that as children we were not allowed to recite it even if we changed the ending.

    Iamhoosier
    But the truth is soooo boring.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:30 PM, February 03, 2006  

  • "Racist"??? Couldn't be more wrong. How were you people raised? I am aware that there is a 'different' version of this childs game, but you have to be a racist to even think that way.
    Even though the thought NEVER entered my head, I am changing the title just to make sure no one gets offended.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 2:20 PM, February 03, 2006  

  • Anyone interested in watching the candidates who are signing up for County elections, go to:
    www.floydcounty.in.gov/clerk.asp
    Click on 'Clerk' in the right column and then select 2006 Primary Elections.
    You can also use the link to the Clerk's site on the front page of the blog.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 2:28 PM, February 03, 2006  

  • Iamhoosier
    Fraud that is a serious charge. But we have to consider your sources. By the way iamhoosier have you ever been wrong? Seems like you have no clue on this one.
    Can you dispute the articles?
    Didn't think sooooooooo.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:36 PM, February 03, 2006  

  • Anon 3:36,

    Fraud is a serious charge. Do you have any idea what I am refering to?

    Consider what sources?

    Been wrong plenty and not a bit afraid to own up to it. Your point?

    I don't have a clue about what?

    I don't believe that I even attempted to dispute the article. Never my attention.

    I don't believe that I am the one without a clue in this instance.

    By Blogger Iamhoosier, at 4:08 PM, February 03, 2006  

  • As an example of my being wrong, please note the use of a wrong word in the above post.

    "never my intention" it should be, not attention. GEEEZE

    By Blogger Iamhoosier, at 4:55 PM, February 03, 2006  

  • TO ANON, This has nothing to do with whether we support Gary McCartain or not. It has to do with everytime an issue comes up, these certain two people are bastardized, and even referred to in a way "well, Bill and Anna will be gone soon, and so will the people behind them". That has to be in reference to the elderly housing located behind them.

    THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GARY MCCARTAIN -- but everything to do with these unthinkable words ya happened to put into your type of "satirical" purposes and whatever else posseses what I consider a demonic mind! Strong, but hey, maybe this is the only way you can understand it.

    Leave them alone. Period. Two great public servants, and I have a feeling even the person you are trying to harpoon using other people might just concur.

    OUR OPINIONS, NO MATTER WHAT.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:22 PM, February 03, 2006  

  • What iamhoosier was saying is that an imagined college professor created by a coward is fraudulent at its very core.

    Crippled inside.

    Rather like the Wizard of Oz, although in this case she's the Purveyor of Whizz.

    By Blogger The New Albanian, at 6:52 PM, February 03, 2006  

  • how does Freedom Of Speech expect to get answers, since "it" does not allow comments?

    If the answer is emailed to "him" and it's an answer "he" doesn't like, how can we be sure it will get posted?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:46 PM, February 03, 2006  

  • What difference does it make if FOS allows comments or not? Everyone who writes on this blog states their opinion about that blog anyway.

    As far as the crude comments about ths Schmidt's and their neighbors, don't forget that if some of their neighbors are elderly they still have a right to their opinions.

    Would you "young" people want people to disregard you when you reach a certain age? Would you want others to be waiting for you to get out of the way so they could do what they want with your property?

    Our population is aging, pretty soon the majority will be elderly, what then? Maybe the older people will be making all of the decisions.

    If any of you who are trashing the older people have children, just remember: Be kind to your children because they will be choosing your nursing home some day.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:05 PM, February 03, 2006  

  • pure jealousy again. Jesus loves you Roger Baylor.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:12 PM, February 03, 2006  

  • I don't even know Mr. and Mrs. Schmitt in this town, but, if the other bloggs are going to so much trouble to bait, and catch and trash Mr. and Mrs. Schmitt, then, the
    Schmitts must be doing someting right.

    I compliment them for keeping their cool under the apparent and ridiculous comments being made on other blog sites.

    Don't even give the attackers the
    satisfaction of replying to their
    caustic remarks.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:52 PM, February 04, 2006  

  • We are going to re-post comments from yesterday that dropped off due to technical difficulties.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 3:32 PM, February 04, 2006  

  • To Granny who wrote the wonderful "short" version of our local brewmeister/athiest citizen:

    He didn't understand. He didn't get his itch scratched. He is still using those $10.00 words.

    Worse, Granny, at City Council meetings, this "group" is encouraged on with their ridiculous public displays with the blessings of a couple of City employees. One citizen a couple of weeks ago didn't even get to open his mouth.

    We encourage everyone to come out and support the Council AND THE CITIZENS. We need to get our voices back and tell this Council and this Administration what OUR ROLE IN LIFE IS -- not theirs.

    The first Monday (this coming Monday) and the third Thursday at 7:30 PM each month. You will be asked to "sign a sheet of paper at the podium BEFORE 7:30" or YOU WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK, unless you are one of the chosen few.

    Help, we need reinforcements from all walks of life, whatever party. We are watching our civil rights erode before our very eyes at each Council meeting that occurs.

    Certain groups of these mindsets have no clue as to reality; and as mentioned on here before...how can anyone even begin to THINK THAT WAY? Gross. Our Opinions.

    Originally posted 10:11PM - Feb. 3

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:33 PM, February 04, 2006  

  • "Rumor" has it that the interviews with Mayor Garner being aired on WNAS have been called to a halt.
    We also have it on good authority that the citizens of New Albany will be allowed access to the WNAS channel with approved content such as community issues, petitions, or any other worthy cause.
    We are hopeful and anxious to develop a wonderful working relationship with this media outlet opportunity.
    Thank you, to the folks who have listened and responded to our concerns.
    Progress, however slowly it occurs, is none-the-less a blessed event.
    Just as the revival, and new life, being breathed into some of the Downtown buildings is blessed progress that's been a long time coming.
    We look forward to more of the same.
    Let's hope we get the sewer issues worked out so these endeavors are not hindered by inadequate infrastructure to support them.

    Originally posted 11:26PM Feb. 3

    By Blogger East Ender, at 3:34 PM, February 04, 2006  

  • Excellent questions, FOS! Forgot to check the legals for February 1; due date for year-end to be published. Hmmmm. Thanks for the space, EastEnder.

    Originally posted 1:12PM Feb. 4

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:41 PM, February 04, 2006  

  • NEWS SCOOP

    Did you know that developer JonPaul put flyers in the doors of Ellen Court
    residents yesterday to invite them to a "DESSERT AND DISCUSSION TO BE HELD AT HOLY FAMILY SCHOOL to discuss his plans for a 2 STORY OFFICE MEDICAL BUILDING that he wants to build on Green Valley at the entrance of Ellen Court.

    A 32 PARKING SPACE PARKING LOT FOR THIS OFFICE BUILDING WILL
    BE JUST ACROSS GREEN VALLEY ROAD FROM GREEN VALLEY SCHOOL ENTRANCE AND EXIT.

    WOW-- WHAT DOES THAT SAY FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR GREEN VALLEY SCHOOL
    CHILDREN !!

    Isn't it neat that the developer is
    offering dessert at this meeting?

    Originally posted 2/04/2006 02:31:57 PM

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:52 PM, February 04, 2006  

  • Response to comment at 2:31 PM today
    You can call any resident of Ellen Court and learn about the plans for more commercial buildings to be built
    in a residential area at Ellen Court and Green Valley Road across from Greem Valley School.

    JonPaul is the developer who built the
    doctor's building there and he is asking for permission to build a 2
    story office building there.

    Yes-- WHY DON'T THEY RENOVATE OR
    REMODEL DOWNTOWN BUILDINGS?

    Originally posted 2/04/2006 03:06:22 PM

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:54 PM, February 04, 2006  

  • Where did you learn of the JonPaul
    plans to build a 2 story office building across from Green Valley School? Just curious

    Origianlly posted 2/04/2006 03:09:15 PM

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:55 PM, February 04, 2006  

  • We think the technical problems have been solved.
    We have done our best to restore the comments that had dropped off.
    Carry on from here, and hopefully we will not experience anymore curious problems.
    Thanks for your patience while we resolved this issue.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 4:22 PM, February 04, 2006  

  • Now I hear the legals for year end do not have to be published until February 28th. We're checking. Thanks.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:41 PM, February 04, 2006  

  • Public notice of the Redevelopment Commission's allotments of CDBG (Community Development Block Grant) funds, and how the public input process works, has been received by Neighborhood Assoc.'s and other organizations that have an interest in the program.
    We will have more information on this process soon.
    Last year's published version of the CDBG disbursement of funds was not entirely accurate, if I remember correctly.
    We will check our records and get back to this issue, and how it affects the City.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 5:16 PM, February 04, 2006  

  • Interesting to note that over at Volunteer Hoosier folks are getting an error message that says:
    You Are Denied Access To This Site

    Wonder what's up with that?
    Maybe "The Gary" got to him and shut him up.
    Guess we'll wait to see what he has to say when he decides to come back on line.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:06 AM, February 05, 2006  

  • Seems like to us there are more than one blog who does not accept comments.It seems to us at least someone is doing something right on the real issues of New Albany.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:53 AM, February 05, 2006  

  • Why are they trying to crowd all of the office buildings in the residential area of Green Valley and Daisy Lane?

    The vacant buildings downtown would be
    good sites for the office buildings.

    They would find support and grants to
    refurbish the downtown buildings.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:21 AM, February 05, 2006  

  • I heard that the entrance-exit from the office building proposed by JonPaul is located directly across
    Green Valley Road from Green Valley School entrance-exit for the school buses, parents and staff.

    How many students are there in Green Valley School?

    Yes- why don't these builders go downtown and open their office buildings?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:25 AM, February 05, 2006  

  • amen anonymous @ 7:21. Amen

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:44 AM, February 05, 2006  

  • He didn't understand. He didn't get his itch scratched. He is still using those $10.00 words.

    What a hoot.

    Your attention is directed to the book known widely as "the dictionary."

    It's the one with all the words in it.

    You'll see that there are tens of thousands of words in the dictionary, and rightly so, because English is a rich, expressive language that has borrowed concepts and vocabulary from cultures and languages around the world.

    Still with me?

    Given the sheer depth, intricacy and beauty of the language we speak, do you think those words are there because they're meant to be learned and used, or, conversely, that it's another conspiracy that prevents Grandma from understanding words she never bothered to learn?

    Don't worry -- you won't be tested on it.

    By Blogger The New Albanian, at 10:27 AM, February 05, 2006  

  • Oh, we all understood your words -- that is why Grandma responded to you and in such an excellent fashion, we feel.

    That good old dictionary, and here we thought you were using a thesaurus.

    Subject matter probably had something to do with Grandma's letter, too. Subject matter can offend some; things like religion and politics we were taught are YOUR OWN BUSINESS. Thus why you don't understand MIND YOUR OWN.

    Yes, we got it, but we are not going to start talking about YOU again (sorry), we need some answers to a "few" questions. We wish your Dictionary had those answers!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:14 AM, February 05, 2006  

  • I'm not the one who attends sporting events with a banner, seeking to evangelize.

    I'm also not the one who seeks to read a specific meaning of vague (at best) scripture as a law to oppress true freedom of choice.

    Minding your own business is a good policy, but the aggressors are the fundamentalists, not the unbelievers.

    By Blogger The New Albanian, at 11:47 AM, February 05, 2006  

  • So exactly who is "Erik"?

    Who is real person playing that role?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:56 AM, February 05, 2006  

  • pictionary, dictionary----

    Your are right, we need to stick to the issues facing New Albany. Let's
    not allow those who want to play the
    "word" game distract us.

    They like to laugh and use their strange type of vocabulary. Their vocabulary sure isn't Hometown Hoosier
    or Southern Indiana vocabulary.

    They like to torment us and shout,
    "I GOTCHA",
    AND THEN MAKE FUN OF US. THEY SHOULD JUST PLAY THEIR GAMES WITH EACH OTHER. WE ARE TOO BUSY FOR THEIR GAMES.
    Let us send them back to kindergarden where they belong.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:56 AM, February 05, 2006  

  • It keeps getting better and better:

    They like to laugh and use their strange type of vocabulary. Their vocabulary sure isn't Hometown Hoosier or Southern Indiana vocabulary.

    Gee, I thought we all spoke English, and of course, if you're going to be a "little person" who speaks English, it stands to reason that you'd want to "play by the rules," right?

    Or did I miss a top-secret, anonymous exception somewhere?

    By Blogger The New Albanian, at 3:37 PM, February 05, 2006  

  • That would be kindergarten, from the German kinder, for children, and garten, or garden, as in a biergarten.

    The biergarten, by the way, was invented by the family of Prince Luitpold von Bayern, the Crown Prince of Bavaria; the royal wedding of Ludwig I - inventor of the biergarten - in 1810 was the foundation of Oktoberfest.

    But that won't keep you from sniping at The New Albanian, will it. There's the difference. Some people believe words have meaning (and nuance), and others just "feel" things.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:54 PM, February 05, 2006  

  • Ignore, Ignore, Ignore!!!!! Ground clutter, ground clutter, ground clutter.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:36 PM, February 05, 2006  

  • Just a reminder to folks about the Council Meeting for tomorrow evening.
    They are scheduled to discuss ordinances for the Stormwater Fee. We contend that this fee is being assessed unfairly, as it applies only to property owners which receive a water bill.
    Businesses and industry are also being subjected to this fee.
    Empty properties that receive no water bill will be excluded from paying this fee.
    Therefore, it results in what we consider to be unequitable taxation.
    This fee has resulted from a Federal mandate of "Rule 13" to prevent contamination of stormwater runoff into the drainage system.
    The County has managed to meet this Federal requirement without assessing fees to anyone except developers.
    Furthermore, the County's overall costs associated with meeting the requirement are about $600K less annually than the City's proposal.
    For more information regarding this issue, use the link on the front page to access the Association of Cities and Towns, and read the proposed legislation.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 6:53 PM, February 05, 2006  

  • Isn't it funny how the County CAN do a lot of things we just can seem to get done/happening? Luv that County...they know how to be the fiscally conservative reps we WANT...

    1 Tax Abatement; gee, how do they survive?

    Their books are in order, they know what they are doing, gee...

    Kudos to the County and Boo to the City for "reinventing" the wheel, when we didn't have to, costing us X amt more.

    Thanks for the space and our opinions.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:16 PM, February 05, 2006  

  • Excuse me -- that should read things we CAN'T do/get done.

    Thanks.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:17 PM, February 05, 2006  

  • Isn't it funny that the county has several years before they have to address the stormwater management problem?

    That's precisely why they aren't required to spend what the city is required to spend in 2006.

    Get you facts straight before launching your slanders.

    Monday's ordinances (first readings only) are innocuous ordinances, and required, and have nothing to do with user fees.

    For the record, I agree that the current fees are inequitable. Commercial fees are particularly onerous, but acceptable as an interim solution. It is people like you who are delaying the implementation of an equitable solution. Let's push for the SWAC to get it DONE! It has to be paid for. Let's at least agree we need to advocate for an equitable plan instead of adopting a "don't charge me, charge that other guy" attitude.

    By Blogger All4Word, at 11:29 PM, February 05, 2006  

  • The County has several years to implement their rules and ordinances? Gee, they've already hired Kevin Fedder or Vedder (can't remember) and have implemented the same ordinances we are looking at Monday night, and they have several years? Are you aware the County has already met with Developers and gone over their ordinances? Where are you getting your information? Or, are you simply behind in the annals of time?

    Yo, those fees are onerous. Call them a fee, call them a tax. Gotta tax everyone/fee everyone, or it is an unequitable "fee" "tax", whatever you want to call it. The people who do not have water or sewage or garbage service will not get a fee. Guess that means the Parking Garage, the empty Winn Dixie, what else is out there?

    What the hey does the SWAC have to do with anything? They've had their meetings. The ordinances are in the Council's packet. What's your beef with the SWAC people? You make no sense to someone else out here in YOUR blogosphere, but hey, there's room for more than one opinion on this blog! These are mine. Thanks for taking the time to read 'em.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:38 AM, February 06, 2006  

  • Isn't it nice to see that we cannot access the agenda for Monday's City Council meeting on the Clerks web site tonight?
    I believe the predictions are correct. Gaveling Gahan is going to make it way more difficult to address the Council.
    Wonder who they got this suggestion from?
    Could it be the Mayor's new advisor and best friend, Randy from Desperations,...oh, I mean Destinations Booksellers?
    I'm sure they've already had their meeting concerning the tactics that will be utilized to rein in the public speaking portion of the meetings.
    Going to be interesting.
    Just our opinions and observations.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 1:49 AM, February 06, 2006  

  • EastdistEnded's previous comment is emblematic of the "Speak Out, Lout" mentality.

    The council meeting agendas seldom have been posted at the web site before noon on the day of a meeting. I'm guessing this has something to do with deadlines.

    The current page has an error message. Other pages seem to be working.

    Of course, the thing to do would be to ask the clerk what's happening.

    Easier, though, to make a snide and veiled reference, so all the anonymous trogs can go "oooh," and "aahh," and wave their conspiracy hankies from behind their soiled masks.

    See you tonight. Wanna buy a t-shirt?

    By Blogger The New Albanian, at 8:47 AM, February 06, 2006  

  • wow brittany spears' husband is working for Indiana?

    also, didn't laura (a few weeks ago, denounce the calling of Destinations-Desperations and Richo's-Drunko's)

    i guess with all the stuff she's spinning it's hard to keep straight.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:52 AM, February 06, 2006  

  • My question to the Clerk would be if the "legal" for the meetings have to be posted 3 days before hand, why not simply upload them to the web, once printed for posting? Or, as the packets are prepared for the Council members?

    A lot of people can not get to the City Council building in order to check the agendas, but that's life. As a citizen, I would ask the Clerk to try and post them on the web if time allows when they are posted legally 3 days prior. It's a simple request, and the Clerk is trying to make life easier for citizens with postings, period.
    Thanks for the space, Eastender. Our opines...

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:05 AM, February 06, 2006  

  • It also amazes me that you blame developers/builders for buying property and actually using it. If you're so interested in keeping areas residential and/or "green", why don't you buy them?!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:32 PM, February 06, 2006  

  • Anon 12:32

    Are you sure that you would not have a problem if a developer bought the property next to your house and wanted to put up a commercial business?

    By Blogger Iamhoosier, at 1:01 PM, February 06, 2006  

  • It would not bother me if it were done professionally, like Dr. Nassim's building. I think the builder did a wonderful job keeping the job site clean and safe. I think there was minimal disruption. I also think the Architect did a great job developing a plan that fit. I have realized that you cannot stop progress and I'd much rather live near a medical office plaza than a strip club. Let's face it, Green Valley Road is part of the "city"

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:46 PM, February 06, 2006  

  • We feel "some" of the developer issues with the "inner" city are the sewer risks they may encounter.

    Citizens have been told, EMC (our contractor at the plant) cannot guarantee every place in this "city" is on sewers. The SWAC committee had to add the words "septic" back into the ordinances before Council because of this very issue.

    Fringe area (exurb locations) were to be some of the last places to get any sewer credits we may have. Do you see that as being the case, considering the sprawl out Charlestown Rd, and the wanting of same on Grantline?

    Are you aware we have been on a "PARTIAL SEWER BAN AGAINST BUILDING" since before 1 9 9 1?

    Are you aware we have been on a complete "SEWER BAN" since 1993, especially in the Grantline Road area near Walmart?

    Are you aware the Robert E. Lift Station and interceptors were to be paid for by Georgetown, but yet they have taken bids to build their own plant?

    Are you aware the "Lafollette Station" line now has O'Grady's and Highlander Point and who knows what else already hooked up, coming in through Captain Frank Road, to Eagles Lane, to Corydon Pike, to the Robert E. Lift?

    Do you know the City swore at the State level the City did not need to do anymore construction in order to accomodate that line?

    Are you aware the Robert E. Lee Lift Station was to be fixed under an AGREED ORDER with the State of Indiana in 1997, under the England administration?

    Are you aware a report has been filed showing our stormwater runoff is contaminated by sewage?

    The time has simply come to pay the piper, so to say. There isn't a conspiracy here, just a lot of legal documents needing citizens utmost attention.

    A Federal Judge stated in a case citing citizens were responsible for the non-actions of their representatives, therefore deserving any and all fines incurred because of lack of inaction. We, as the New Albany Potty Police, have tried everything to help keep these fines off the back of citizens when the time comes.

    Some of us can look that Judge in the face now and say "we even ran for office"; we have been through 3 Mayors now; we can't seem to effect the change, throughout all efforts expended, simply to fix this great City of New Albany.

    This is our dream. Build the infrastructure -- that field of dreams will come. More to come, but now the issue is stormwater.

    The ordinances tonight are simply about construction runoff and pre, post things. They should be passed, because the fee has already been assessed, in case you didn't notice on your Water bill.

    Thanks for the space, and time...

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:09 PM, February 06, 2006  

  • Anon 1:46,

    You make some good points. I agree that Nassim's building is attractive. I am also not against progress. I am against any developer or public official who seems to think that rezoning residential areas ought to be pratically automatic. Of course, they should not be automatically turned down either. It should be "hard" to change from residential.

    Thanks for responding.

    By Blogger Iamhoosier, at 2:40 PM, February 06, 2006  

  • How would you feel if a developer bought up property next to your home and wanted to put up a factory?
    The impact on the neighborhood is not only increased traffic from the factory workers but an influx of tractor-trailor trucks that tear up the roads and block traffic.
    Despite objections from the residents the projects always happened anyway.
    We should all stand together when objectionable projects are proposed for areas where they just don't belong.
    Why is it easier, or better, or cheaper, for these developers to build brand new buildings instead of using existing empty buildings that are sitting around town as dilapidated eyesores?
    To me it doesn't say much for the
    people who are supposed to be encouraging economic development downtown.
    Is it because new buildings get these tax abatements but using old buildings don't?
    Thanks for the space to say what's been on my mind for years.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:43 PM, February 06, 2006  

  • One problem with using/renovating older buildings is that handicap rules and regulations apply and most of them are not handicap accessible and/or would be very hard to make as such. Any renovated building must meet current rules and regulations. Many of those buildings have narrow halls and stairways and no room for elevators. Also, many of them are full of asbestos and Lord knows whatelse!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:02 PM, February 06, 2006  

  • To The New Albanian: I am new here on this blog and have heard good things about what these people are doing for New Albany by getting the truth out there, What I wasn't told is that there are people like you that are full of hatred and sarcasim and trying to interfear with what they are doing. My question to you is WHY! Don't you have a buisness here in New Albany? I would think that you would want to see things change too being a buisness man/lady.

    Eastender thanks for keeping us informed.
    P.S. There is always 1or2 in every crowd.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:09 PM, February 06, 2006  

  • Both; hard and costly. Hard in the sense that many of these buildings just don't accomodate the handicap measurement requirements. Costly . . . well, judging from the above answer, you can imagine.
    I love old buildings, the architecture, the history, I wish more people would utilize them and stop letting them go to waste. More incentives need to be made to encourage people to renovate.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:45 PM, February 06, 2006  

  • Here's where the City must step up and help to revive Downtown.
    If they think putting up a YMCA and a natatorium is going to fix everything for them, they are in for a big disappointment.
    Whatever incentives are available to help renovate old buildings should be readily available information through the Economic Developers office.
    Furthermore, any future tax abatements should be restricted to downtown development only in order to encourage downtown revival and discourage more fringe development.
    However, these tax abatements must still be reeled in as far as length of time, and how many are given out in a given year.
    We are killing the City financially by not collecting these taxes.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 5:00 PM, February 06, 2006  

  • East Ender,

    Please be sure to tell Steve Price exactly what you just said. The residents of his district have been more vocal than anyone concerning the issues you mention and he's inexplicably chosen to ignore those voices.

    BTW, a quick conversation with the realtor who's doing more than anyone to enitce investors downtown will reveal that our Economic Development Director is busting his chops trying to help.

    By Blogger Jeff Gillenwater, at 5:19 PM, February 06, 2006  

  • East Ender,

    I agree with almost everything you wrote in your 5:00pm post. I'm not big on words like "only" such as used with the tax abatements statement but that is nitpicking on my part. Most of it should be used for downtown development.

    I know that you are against the Scribner/YMCA project and there I do disagree with you. Not that I think it will solve everything but I do believe that it could pull a tremendous number of people to downtown and give prospective business owners a reason to be downtown in those empty buildings. I could even see a downtown business using the Scribner/YMCA as a recruiting tool for qualified employees by perhaps offering memberships and such.

    Again, I think you score on several points with your post.

    By Blogger Iamhoosier, at 5:37 PM, February 06, 2006  

  • iamhoosier-
    Thanks for the agreement, but just to clarify a point I have tried to make several times, but keeps getting missed in the mix of things:
    I am NOT AGAINST the YMCA, I am only against the natatorium being added at an incredible expense to the City when we can least afford it.
    I think the YMCA should be built, and wait to see if it does indeed provide the impetus for increased investments. After all, a formal feasibility study was not done, so it remains to be seen.
    If, and that's a big "if", the YMCA proves to be the saving grace of downtown development and revitalization, then we could always add the natatorium at a later date when the City is not in such dire financial straits.
    Furthermore, we maintain that the EDIT money pledged to the Scribner project has already been pledged for other projects (Sewer repairs per Resolution R-02-51, and sewer bond payments).
    Again, YMCA: Thumbs up!
    Natatorium: Thumbs down!
    Wouldn't this be a fair and reasonable compromise?

    By Blogger East Ender, at 12:43 AM, February 07, 2006  

  • I must say that it is a very satisfying victory that Council President Gahan has been... shall we call it "over-ruled", in his effort to "...shake things up" by removing CM Schmidt from the Solid Waste Board with no apparent good reasoning.
    CM Schmidt had already been elected as President of the Board, which he helped found, but when asked to reconsider his decision, Gahan flatly refused.
    However, in tonight's meeting, it was explained that Council members have voting authority when it comes to anything other than in-house committee appontments.
    CM Schmidt was re-appointed to the Solid Waste Board by a unanimous vote.
    Great job everyone!

    By Blogger East Ender, at 1:36 AM, February 07, 2006  

  • East Ender,

    It may be helpful to clarify a couple of things:

    The only reason that the whole Schmidt thing got brought up at all was because Dan Coffey, after spending the entire evening lecturing the wall about how repsonsible he would have been several years ago had he actually understood what he was voting on at the time, QUIT his Solid Waste appointment the night before their first meeting.

    When Schmidt pointed out the voting mechanism, it was he who was corrected by the Council who explained that they had, in fact, voted on the appointments. Schmidt just couldn't remember. Apparently, the person who gave you the report on the meeting had the same memory problem.

    By Blogger Jeff Gillenwater, at 8:12 AM, February 07, 2006  

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    By Blogger Iamhoosier, at 9:27 AM, February 07, 2006  

  • East Ender,

    I understand where you are coming from. Thanks.

    By Blogger Iamhoosier, at 9:29 AM, February 07, 2006  

  • east ender---you are wrong about procedure for those committees. PLUS those appointmets are annual---there is a reason for that ---they are supposed to be passed around---schmidt feels like he should have lifetime appointments--those appointments should be passed around every one or two years because that is the way it was designed---if that is not the intention then change it----the only reason schmidt got back on that board is nobody else wanted to to it. thank god he won't be there next term

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:19 PM, February 07, 2006  

  • Instead of ground clutter, down right blasphemous. Take a hike.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:20 PM, February 07, 2006  

  • blasphemy--the act of expressing lack of reverence for God.

    Does that mean Mr. Schmidt is your God? That might explain a lot.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:45 PM, February 07, 2006  

  • Did you read on another blogsite that a local brewer is upset with pressure that may be in legislation being considered to help curb teenage drinking.?

    Let us hope the legislators step up to the plate and do all that they can to
    curb teen age drinking and help to save the lives of our teenagers.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:13 PM, February 07, 2006  

  • ATT: 2:13 PM

    I AGREE WITH YOU. WE ALL NEED TO GET ON OUR KNEES AND PRAY THAT THE
    LEGISLATORS WILL DO ALL THEY CAN TO CURB TEEN AGE DRINKING AND SAVE THE LIVES OF OUR TEENAGERS AND COLLEGE STUDENTS.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:20 PM, February 07, 2006  

  • I would like to ask Professor Erik the Fraud just exactly how the councilman helped oldernewalbian. I know nothing firsthand of her problems, just what I read on all of the blogs. Seems to me her standard statement was no one helped and it was too late for anyone to do anything. She did say that he listened. I guess THAT it is a promise kept.

    By Blogger Iamhoosier, at 2:24 PM, February 07, 2006  

  • As usual, a lack of reading comprehension dooms the pursuit of dialogue.

    Do you misinterpret things intentionally, "anonymous" coward, or is it just a general lack of skills?

    By Blogger The New Albanian, at 2:28 PM, February 07, 2006  

  • CM Schmidt is the most honest, the hardest working, and the best example of what all Council members should aspire to be.
    He truly has the best interest of the entire city at heart.
    He deserves the respect and reverence he has earned.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 2:29 PM, February 07, 2006  

  • Come to think of it, what do you expect from people who think Mr. Schmidt is God?

    Better off worshipping the magic fridge, if you ask me.

    By Blogger The New Albanian, at 2:29 PM, February 07, 2006  

  • That's right, our teenagers walking into restaurants and getting blasted has become such a problem in our country.....what a stupid commment.....why don't you look to poor parenting....I guess you expect the government to keep your kids from underage drinking too....no wonder you people are never satisfied...you have unreachable expectations.....of course, that way you can continue your gripe and whine sessions.....why don't you take some personal responsibility instead....hypocrites.....

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:32 PM, February 07, 2006  

  • Anon 2:13 & 2:20,

    Would you please be kind enough to explain that? I read the same post.

    By Blogger Iamhoosier, at 2:35 PM, February 07, 2006  

  • As a citizen, rate payer and taxpayer, I am outraged over the statements I have read in the Tribune today about the "Federal Government" giving New Albany the "runaround" on sewer credits; but yet, mention the two mandates that are still yet unfixed.

    $37 Million borrowed from the State through State Revolving Loan Funds; with taxpayers maintaining even then this "new Plan" would not work. The total is now, what $44 million? They have no monies to do the Robert E. Lee? And?

    This has been going on since before 1991, folks. If we spent $44 million in the last four years, how much do you feel we may have spent in the last 15 years?

    I have this to say to you Mayor, and anyone out there that gives a darn, it is NOT YOUR VOICES that can not be heard, IT IS THE TAXPAYERS' VOICES that can't be HEARD. And now you want to make it a "political" football?

    When is the press going to break the story about Georgetown? Mr. Fifer alluded to it at Council. Hang on, ought to be interesting.

    Everything is now on the table and in the light of day (thankful for that), now, we say let the EPA and the Department of Justice do their jobs. That is what WE PAY THEM FOR, TOO. See Mayor, they work for us, just like you do. Hate putting it that way to you, but I'VE GOT TO.

    Thank you for letting us know of your intentions, though, of how you intend to handle this issue that's been simmering about 15 yrs now. Gave our family plenty of time to call our Federal representatives and explain the years and the monies involved in this here situation; and how it is the RATEPAYERS VOICES NOT HEARD, not YOURS. We feel we've heard enough from this end here in this City. Now, we want to hear it from the EPA and Department of Justice, if nothing else, for curiosity or posperity's sake.

    Our opinions, only.
    Have a nice trip.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:47 PM, February 07, 2006  

  • P.S. And that $37 million were OUR TAXDOLLARS, ALSO. Add that to your list of kicks to the gut. Give US A BREAK, PLEASE.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:04 PM, February 07, 2006  

  • Along with the 40% increase in rates 2 years ago. Along with all the building they have been doing since 1991 with no credits.

    You out there complaining about the exurb sprawl, will you tell us where they got their sewer credits, if we are saving them for inner-city development? See how it ties?

    Our opinions and thoughts on this matter, bad as it may be, yuck.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:08 PM, February 07, 2006  

  • That was a 49% increase to be exact. Only because then Mayor Overton insisted that it be kept under 50% even though they knew they needed more money than that.
    EDIT and TIF funds were to be used in conjunction with that rate increase.
    The plan they chose to expand the capacity of the system was the wrong plan, and it was the most expensive.
    Even then Council Member Garner said at the time that he didn't agree the plan would solve our problems.
    Now, money from EDIT that was supposed to go into repairs is missing, and they are talking another rate hike.
    We contend the stormwater set-up is also going to be used to help fund the sewer repairs. We'll wait and watch. All will come out in the end.
    Bottom line is, the 2 mandated repairs must be accomplished before we are going to get new sewer credits for future developments.
    See how all this is so important to the economic growth and welfare of the City?
    We've been trying to tell them.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 4:08 PM, February 07, 2006  

  • This is a serious question.
    Why is the current Mayor getting so much grief on the sewers? Some of your own posts talk about how long this has gone on. That the wrong plan was chosen. That even the Mayor, before he was mayor, made negative comments about the sewer plan.

    The Mayor has been in office just slightly over 2 years. He has had to live with the plans that were put into place before he was mayor.

    I am no apologist for the Mayor. I think that he has made some terrible appointments especially early in his administration. I still remember when he was running for Mayor that he appeared to be lukewarm at best on the Scribner/YMCA plan. Almost immediately after being elected he seemed to think the idea was great.

    There may be many things to pick on the Mayor about but I am not sure the longtime problem of sewers in NA is one of them.

    By Blogger Iamhoosier, at 4:54 PM, February 07, 2006  

  • The same type of question could be asked of your friend Professor Erik. It writes a post lambasting the frivolous awarding of tax abatements (I think the only issue the imaginary one and I have agreed on) and then, a few days later, writes to tell us that Steve Price, who just last night approved the continuance of six abatements without asking a single question, is doing a great job of living up to his "grandma said" financially conservative campaign promises.

    Maybe Price's grandmother never warned him about giving away money as opposed to spending or investing it, but the logical disconnect is difficult to fathom.

    By Blogger Jeff Gillenwater, at 5:19 PM, February 07, 2006  

  • You are correct Bluegill. It would be nice to ask Professor Erik. No comments allowed on FOS. Only shows up here long enough to call people names and then vanishes again. Never answers a challenging question.

    By Blogger Iamhoosier, at 5:33 PM, February 07, 2006  

  • To IAMHOOSIER:

    You didn't have certain promises made to you concerning the sewers, as we did, personally, after he was elected, during a luncheon.

    You may not have been at the meetings when we had to prove to him that the $270,000 pledged by Council for Appendix D of the Consent Decree was still being misapplied. When he was asked how he was going to pay the monies back out of EDIT, he shrugged.

    We do not understand why he changed the stance he took in speaking against the Plan, and now wanting to circumvent the Plan's circumstances, by blaming it on the Federal Government.

    We could mention some other items, but can you understand some of these issues we may have? Thank you.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:48 PM, February 07, 2006  

  • To say that he's blaming the federal government for sewer problems is not correct. We are at a point, and have been for months, at which it the feds need to come check the sewer work completed and give an offical opinion on whether the expansion project meets the requirements of the consent decree or not. After coming to town for the plant opening months ago and giving every indication that the new system looked good, they've since not taken any action to approve or disaprove. That's the problem. The only thing the mayor and every other city official involved in the sewer project has said is that the feds are dragging their feet in making a decision. Since they've obviously not made one, I don't really see how anyone could argue otherwise.

    By Blogger Jeff Gillenwater, at 7:13 PM, February 07, 2006  

  • Let me jump in here on this one.
    Yes, it's correct that these sewer problems have been going on in New Albany for many years.
    However, just as amazing as the turn around attitude on Scribner Place, was the turn around attitute on what needs to get done for the sewer problem to REALLY get fixed.
    I think we can pretty much draw the conclusion that if the EPA has not given us approval, they do not approve of what we have done as it relates to our agreements with them and the consent decree.
    Garner has known about all this from the time he sat on Council, and should have been fully prepared to deal with the issue once elected. Alas......
    As with so many other issues, this has been left to fester and a good chunk of the money associated with fixing the problems is now gone.
    (Whoops) Now what? (shrug)
    I don't think the EPA is dragging their feet or ignoring us. I think it's the City which has not done the work they promised, as was mentioned by Fifer... "a couple of things still aren't done", or something to that effect.
    In fact, the EPA has been very patient with us. I wouldn't expect that to last too much longer.
    But, that's only my opinion.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 8:10 PM, February 07, 2006  

  • Bluegill, I was speaking with IAMHOOSIER.

    The Mayor was head of the Sewer Board for the past two years -- he knew the situation under Overton, when he was a City Council person.

    Now, tell me this, how do you know the EPA did say "yea, what you built for the expansion is absolutely beautiful, if only the sewage would and could get there". Why is your confidence level so high, when we still have even started our one year test period?

    See, the EPA wasn't suppose to give credits once they came in and inspected. The Consent Decree requires a one (1) year testing period, and the City has not been given the OK to proceed with that because of the two MANDATES mentioned last night that have not been done.

    People have gone to their graves trying to solve OUR/THEIR sewer problems. Citizens and Taxpayers and Ratepayers were promised Justice this time if the proposed "PLAN" the Administration came up with didn't work.

    The Mayor should have known, with proper legal advice, the Consent Decree states anyone involved with New Albany Sewers in any shape, fashion, or form, HAD TO READ THE AMENDED CONSENT DECREE. We read it. We responded to the $80.00 document in Federal Court.

    Now, we want ACCOUNTABILITY. 15 years and what do ya got? I'd start a little ditty here but I'm too disgusted. Sorry you don't share my sentiments and are disappointed in my expectations of him. Our opinions, though. You are most certainly welcome to yours. And if you think there is some kind of malice involved because we want our infrastructure fixed, well, 15 year taxpayer advocates know better than that, and so does the EPA and the Department of Justice. We want them to do their work for ALL OF US now, as citizens.

    Shame they didn't mention that one year waiting period they can't seem to get started last night, isn't it? Got to know the facts; all we can say.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:20 PM, February 07, 2006  

  • The only thing I said is that the EPA hasn't come to check on the expansion so we can proceed. That's what we're currently waiting for, is it not?

    I don't care what your personal expectations of the mayor are nor did I comment on them. Saying the mayor is blaming the feds just isn't correct. At no point has the man said the feds are at fault for anything except for taking what seems like an extraordinary amount of time to just come look at the thing. We can't get credits, start a propationary period, or otherwise move forward until they do that. The mayor and others at this point are actually trying to get the EPA to come hold us accountable and tell us if it's OK or what still needs to be done. I seriously doubt that the EPA gets many requests from anyone begging to be inspected.

    Considering the city just put a huge sum of money and time into the project, I don't think it unfair to ask the EPA to come pass judgement in a timely manner. My tax dollars pay for them just the same as they do for local officials. There has to accountability on their end as well.

    By Blogger Jeff Gillenwater, at 8:47 PM, February 07, 2006  

  • But, they did come in and inspect. The real issues are what did they find when they brought all their techies in? Kochert admitted last night at Council they had already come in -- so something must not be right.

    We feel it is the area behind Watco, the Country Club, Grantline, and Cordyon Pike and Silver Street areas. Some buildings downtown still are not hooked up to the sewers. EPA knows this. We were suppose to FIX the inner city. We spent the money for something else, we can't figure out yet where; and we are in violation of Appendix D which is where they say they WOULD FIX THE INNER CITY, but the expansion was done under the "PLAN". One had nothing to do with the other, unfortunately. Is that any clearer. Appreciate you setting me straight on me making a judgment call. Thanks for asking, though, and listening.
    Our opines.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:29 PM, February 07, 2006  

  • Opines is a verb, not a noun.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:31 PM, February 07, 2006  

  • What did Kochert say that admitted "they had already come in"?

    By Blogger Jeff Gillenwater, at 9:34 PM, February 07, 2006  

  • Glad to learn that about opines; I couldn't have lived without that nugget; but I won't fight education, though prepositions and adverbs were always my weak point -- can't ya tell?

    Kochert said the EPA came in for inspection; he was with them; and they said the new plant looked beautiful. There were no comments made about Appendix D, except when they went and inspected and found out they too were LOCKED OUT of certain areas, that would be where Appendix D, once again, comes in.

    Let's put in this way -- the PLANT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL. Now, if NA could JUST GET THE SEWAGE to the PLANT, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

    Thanks for the space, and the verb lesson.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:41 PM, February 07, 2006  

  • That's not what Kochert said. I was there.

    By Blogger Jeff Gillenwater, at 10:51 PM, February 07, 2006  

  • Kochert did say the EPA said the Plant looked fine. Were you with the techies when they tried to get behind Watco and other areas in town? He wasn't. And, they were in town, no matter what you say.

    He told me personally, also, he gets kind of angry about this situation we are in.

    I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt, because we have been involved in this in some kind of unreal depth...so I'll stake my name on it. Thanks, again.!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:13 AM, February 08, 2006  

  • At least we know now why Amani had the Georgetown story transferred to Chris Morris. Good luck, Amani.

    Just think, no more articles on sewers :)

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:49 AM, February 08, 2006  

  • Glad to learn that about opines; I couldn't have lived without that nugget; but I won't fight education, though prepositions and adverbs were always my weak point -- can't ya tell?

    Well, you insist onplaying by the "rules," and then after being introduced to a "rule," you're sarcastic about it.

    Very inconsistent, crapper cop.

    Of course, the real weak point is anonymity -- something you're unlikely to acknowledge.

    By Blogger The New Albanian, at 8:07 AM, February 08, 2006  

  • Potty Police,

    No, I was not at the luncheon nor the other meeting(s). If that was your understanding then I can see where you are coming from. Not disputing your understanding.

    Thanks for responding to my question.

    By Blogger Iamhoosier, at 8:14 AM, February 08, 2006  

  • You are ALL welcome. It's hard to explain capacity of lines, etc. Maybe we should have just explained it as to putting the diaper on the babies.

    New Albanian, most people in this town know who the New Albany Potty Police are...doesn't need an explanation.

    In sewer board yesterday, they have now put their meeting off with the EPA until next week, with Mike Sodrel.

    The sewer board is expecting a letter about the EPA's visit (which I swear did happen) and whether they will have to finish those two mandates, or whether they are going to go ahead and get credits (we don't think so).

    They need to move the Robert E Lift and we feel they have got permission, because it sits in a flood plain. They are trying to move the interceptors, also, but haven't got permission from DNR.

    There was a lot more yesterday in the meeting, but we'll let other members post once the tapes are transcribed. Thanks for the space.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:52 AM, February 08, 2006  

  • Well, I know the "potted police," but not the crapper cops.

    Do you vote the straight (Democratic) party ticket, too?

    By Blogger The New Albanian, at 10:13 AM, February 08, 2006  

  • To The NEWALBANIAN:

    As you infer to us, maybe you should get out and about town more. Greenville citizens, Save The Knobs citizens, Georgetown citizens, County Officials, City Officials, and especially the Mayor and Sewer Board, know who the New Albany Potty Police are. Are you aware of an organization being though about being formed amongst all County & City citizens called FAN (Floyd Action Network)?

    Call us whatever you want, and as far as our politics - none of your business how we vote, is it? Right.

    And, seeing we are having a hard time helping you understand, let us try and word it this way for you:

    It's called the CAPACITY OF THE SEWERS, but I can't find a $10 word you may understand.

    Sewer Credits means a toilet flushing with one (1) gallon of sewage.

    Many/Most/All of New Albany Interceptors ($10 word?) are full during rain events; some when the arm to the bar screen falls off;some at capacity even without rainfall.

    Our sewers cannot handle anymore without overflowing pollution/crap into our environment (which may include basements). Though, at the Sewer Board yesterday the Board said basement backups do not have to be reported. (I wouldn't be too sure about that one!)

    Maybe you would understand the bar and screen problem if you had to go and scrape the screen off when the arm falls off.

    We have an idea how to allow new credits -- maybe EPA/IDEM needs to make New Albany put real diapers on all the sewer lines at all the overflow locations. The City has already put "some diapers" on some manholes. We are responsible for changing the diapers.

    Hey, someone has to do it...Waaaaahhhhh.

    Thank you for your incredulous response. We hope this helps out in terminology. We feel we can't use enough $10.00 words to help you out in your understanding of what has been happening in YOUR community for over 15 years.

    Again, our opinions.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:07 PM, February 08, 2006  

  • JUST OFFER IT UP--ANOTHER 29%-32% INCREASE IS COMING!!!!!!!!!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:42 PM, February 08, 2006  

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    By Blogger Jeff Gillenwater, at 12:45 PM, February 08, 2006  

  • Touchy, aren't we?

    Who came up with the cutesy name?

    By Blogger The New Albanian, at 1:03 PM, February 08, 2006  

  • Who came up with yours?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:15 PM, February 08, 2006  

  • Timmy, Timmy, Timmy.......
    You are soooooo desperate to BE somebody. It's absolutely pathetic to see you put those "titles" under your name, as if they mean anything at all.
    How many people have walked away from those SWAC meetings? I don't think it's anything to be proud of, it's a sham.
    Furthermore, I can appreciate IUS becoming involved with the City, but I'm sure it is ALL under the direction of Dr. Baker since it involves students.
    Stop trying so hard Timmy, it only makes you look smaller than you already are.
    As for the new albanian-
    You've had nothing constructive what-so-ever to add to any of this conversation of 116 comments.
    You simply try to antagonize. Does that make you feel smart, or are you just being a smart-ass?
    I think the latter is more accurate.
    Our opinions, observations, and points of view.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 2:22 PM, February 08, 2006  

  • Call them up Timmy. Are you saying you do not know whom and why you should call? Gee, and you also kept saying (there, for awhile), that you could show the New Albany Potty Police A LOT OF THINGS WE knew nothing about?

    Just being a braggart, or do you really care, or simply a blowhard as some of us consider you to be?

    Thanks for the info, but again, can't you give a little bit of credit where credit may be due?

    Do you realize some basements back up because the "main line" may be blocked or full? Just when you think you know it all! Get a copy of the Consent Decree or better yet, call the EPA and ask who is handling our case and if basement backups need to be reported. No facts, just hot air (anyone have a fan handy).

    Our opinions, also.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:45 PM, February 08, 2006  

  • It is VERY inconsistant to criticize Mr Dietrich for attempting to be more than he is, and then champion the significance of the 116 comments on this posting, when, in fact, it is precisely Roger and others who have labored to elevate the dialogue above the collapsing sky syndrome.

    By Blogger jon faith, at 3:45 PM, February 08, 2006  

  • Constructive? Why, of course.

    First, I set one of your beloved anonymous attack dogs straight when he or she dispensed lies about something that happened at my workplace.

    Then, I corrected another of your "free speech" anonymous cowards when he or she completely misrepresented something I wrote about teenage drinking.

    Pausing only to quaff another $18.25 beer, I defended the virtue of the English language as YET ANOTHER anonymous sycophant of yours trashed the notion of education while readers tottered through their hymnals.

    Only then, after constructively noting the existence of these bits of genuine truth amidst the daily trash, did I tweak the sanctimonious crapper cop.

    Meanwhile, EastdistEnded -- she who is so fast to defend the anonymous character assassinations and related harpoonings that take place regularly under her thoughtless watch -- belatedly jumps in to psychoanalyze Tim and tease him about his stature as though it were a elementary school playground.

    Gee, Laura, is that an example of the "high road" with which you're so obviously unfamiliar? Sounds more like ground clutter to me.

    Okay, potted crapper potty gendarmes, here are the questions:

    Why do you root against success?

    When the sewer credits arrive, are you going to feel disappointment because of it?

    Are you going to sue, or better yet, perform self-immolation at the Robert E. Lee lift station?

    C'mon, you can reach 150 anonymous and gutless comments by nightfall.

    Laura evidently needs the encouragement.

    By Blogger The New Albanian, at 4:44 PM, February 08, 2006  

  • Does anyone on this blog know what the NEWALBANIAN is ranting and raving about?

    1. Who in your warped mind doesn't want credits so we can do proper development?

    2. No, we're not going to sue; IDEM & EPA will take that of that issue, since it was required to be done in 1997.

    3. Yep, Laura will reach whatever numbers she may reach; but we sure have noticed you figure in the count and how you have figured into our count. Now, you can start counting to 150 to exemplify your intellience.

    Drink a few more, you'll feel better. Our opinions.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:14 PM, February 08, 2006  

  • Neither ranting nor raving, but merely responding dispassionately to Laura's nonsensical reference to "constructive," the opposite of which is "destructive" -- a quality she knows quite well given the abysmal record of her bouncing baby Frankenstein monster, SOLNA.

    By Blogger The New Albanian, at 8:07 PM, February 08, 2006  

  • Neither answering nor responding to questions you do not have the answer to tends to have you bring out the best of the ideology you espouse.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:27 PM, February 08, 2006  

  • I am amazed at the way we are constantly attacked and then vilified for responding in like fashion.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 8:38 PM, February 08, 2006  

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