Speak Out Loud NA

Saturday, January 14, 2006

Not Better, Not Worse, Just Different

I have often commented, and remarked, about what the Speak Out Loud NA blog is for, and why it is that way, but I have never approached the issue to address why this blog is Different from the other blogs. Apparently, it’s time to do just that, as the attacks from the “others” are getting quite nasty and brutish.
Anyone who has read this blog for more than a couple of months, maybe less, knows the bashing and the constant harassing that we get from Volunteer Hoosier, aka Randy Smith, and New Albany Confidential, aka Roger Baylor (from this point forward to be known as R&R).
We have repeatedly requested that they refrain from visiting the SOLNA blog if they found it to be so objectionable to them. We suggested many times that if they do not agree with our purpose, or our mission, that they should simply keep to their own blogging practices, and just leave us alone. We really saw no point in continuing to argue, or to constantly defend our rights to free speech and the choice we made to allow anonymous comments.
As an interesting note, it is in fact the “Baylorites” (name we use for the folks who agree with R&R) that over-use the anonymous blanket to toss out very ugly comments. I will go back and retrieve some of those for you folks to look at, but most of you already know the tactics they use to try to intimidate and speak down to us. Here’s a few just from the last posting:

Anonymous said... you guys are losing it man, time to check into solna's nut house 1:14 PM, January 08, 2006

Anonymous said... tonight you little people will be so humiliated, you are toast 3:48 PM, January 09, 2006

Anonymous said... cry me a river losers 4:16 PM, January 09, 2006

Anonymous said... so go and sue the council then big mouth 8:49 PM, January 10, 2006

Anonymous said... you suck 12:47 AM, January 11, 2006

Anonymous said... because dan coffey is an idiot 3:48 PM, January 11, 2006

Anonymous said... eat shit potty patrol 9:13 PM, January 12, 2006

Now, I ask you, what is the point of being so obnoxiously rude and ugly? If they don’t agree with, or don’t like the way we do things on SOLNA, they could just avoid coming to this site. Only, they won’t do that. Despite our requests to stop interfering with the SOLNA blog, as well as our outright banning of them multiple times, they just keep coming back and taking swings at us.
Why? Because evidently we are perceived, by them, as a threat to Mayor Garner’s credibility and the way the current City administration is being run.
A threat because we are demanding answers and accountability.
This blog is for the people and by the people. People who want answers, and people who want to know just what is, and what is not, happening with our money. People who are upset with the deterioration of the City they have witnessed from the homes they have lived in for decades. People who have watched as neighbor after neighbor leaves town for better surroundings, and renters move in. Neighborhoods deteriorate, property values plummet, and drug sales escalate. People who want to know how their City is being managed. After all, they are being asked to withstand rate hikes, new fees, and the use of their property taxes to back bonds for a project they didn’t even get to vote on.
Speak Out Loud NA did not start the discontent of people of the inner-city feel. We simply gave it an avenue of release. SOLNA is an electronic means of civic activism. Plain and simple, we want to know what’s going on.
We are not the ‘blog press’ that Volunteer Hoosier claims to be by reporting news and information regarding the City’s activities. We don’t have a pipeline to the Mayor’s office as Randy Smith apparently does.
In fact, Randy tipped his hand in his latest posting by giving information about a budget that hasn’t yet been officially received by the City. A budget that no Council Member has seen, and yet Randy knows there is a separate fund in the budget that the salaries in question are being paid from. He accuses me of lying, in so far as we questioned the preservation of these jobs after the first of the year due to the fact that their salaries were mandated by Council resolution to be paid from Stormwater revenues, and not out of the sewer fund.
Since no Stormwater fees have been assessed or collected, we naturally assumed there would be no money in this new pot to pay these folks.
I don’t care if there is a separate fund their salaries are being “charged to”, we want to know what fund is being raided to pay them until the Stormwater fee indeed gets ramped up and begins collecting funds. Answers PLEASE!
This has been a major rub with the public. The misappropriations of funds, the borrowing and shuffling, has all led to a very fuzzy fiscal picture, and absolutely no idea what shape some departments are in financially. That is unacceptable.
Returning to the main issue at hand here, we are simply a different kind of blog than “Volunteer Hoosier”, who claims to be a news reporting electronic press. We find that one rather hard to swallow, but if that’s what he wants to call it, then have at it. In any instance, we do not deserve to be assailed, insulted, or slandered for seeking answers that we do not have.
We are also very different than “New Albany Confidential”, which covers many other topics such as beer, pubs, European vacations, and street spam, in between “satires” of the SOLNA blog and the egotistical manner by which Roger Baylor berates the intelligence of the readers and participants of SOLNA.
Notice that we do not go over to their blogs and wreak havoc on their opinions and attempt to wrangle their integrity with obnoxious statements of a personal nature. We most often ignore, and dismiss their assaults, but they have now crossed a line that is just going way too far. Calling me a liar is an outright attempt to shut me up and diminish my character. It is highly objectionable, and it is a false allegation.
We are a forum for civic activism, and we will be the watchdog group that will hound this Mayor about every bad decision he makes. Not because we don't like the man, or because we don't like his politics, but because we love New Albany, and we don't want to see it sink further into disrepair and go under financially. For any of the acclaimed economic development to occur, we MUST fix the inner-city sewers. This is also something we are under a Federal mandate to get done. Where's the money?
We will continue to push on with our mission of getting answers to the myriad of questions that remain unanswered, and our demands of accountability from the administration. Like it or not, that is our right as citizens, and we have no intentions of doing things any differently than we have been thus far.
Every blog out there has its place and its purpose. We are only one of many, but the involvement of the community speaks to the need and the appreciation of our blog.
Don't worry folks, we will continue to fight the good fight.

88 Comments:

  • I agree with u blogger. Individuals should remain civil in these discussion. I personally have never knowingly demeaned anyone on this blog. I have taken a couple of shots at Tiny Tim Deatrick in a joking fun sort of way. Tim really can't figure out what side of the fence to be on. I think also that it insults our intelligence for individuals to constantly repeat points that have been amply covered. Finally, some persist in presenting wild rumors that have no basis in fact.
    Truth Finder

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:51 AM, January 14, 2006  

  • Laura: I like your term,
    CIVIC ACTIVISM, that you used to describe Speak Out Loud NA.

    Citizens are crying for New Albany to be cleaned up and the new ORDINANCE ENFROCEMENT OFFICER chooses to work to please the East Spring Street Group.

    HELP! -- We in the rest of the City need attention to clean up our areas.

    Our taxes are paying her salary and she needs to pay attention to the
    WHOLE CITY.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:40 AM, January 14, 2006  

  • CIVIC ACTIVISM IS A GOOD TERM.

    Question--- Why doesn't the City Building Commissioner even have ONE
    HOUSE OR BUILDING ON HIS DEMOLITION LIST? THERE WAS ALWAYS A LONG LIST OF SHABBY HOUSES OR BUIDINGS IN THAT OFFICE TO BE CONDEMMED FOR DEMOLITION.

    IF THE MAYOR REALLY WANTS TO CLEAN UP NEW ALBANY, THEN, HE SHOULD TELL HIS
    APPOINTED BUILDING COMMISSIONER TO
    GET OUT AND LOOK AROUND NEW ALBANY AT THE EMBARRASSING SHABBY BUILDINGS.

    DOES THE MAYOR, TONY TORAN, STEVE LADUKE, CHAS HUNTER AND THE BUILDING COMMISSIONER JUST RIDE AROUND THE CITY WITH BLINDERS AND DON'T EVEN SEE THESE SHABBY, DANGEROUS, BUILDINGS ?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:49 AM, January 14, 2006  

  • Civic Activism is a good description for your blogsite, Speak Out Loud.

    Could we ask Mr. Smith of Volunteer Hoosier to go ahead and type in the
    numbers of the City 2006 approved Budget? We need to know what 2006 will look like in New Albany. If he has that info he needs to share with us.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:11 AM, January 14, 2006  

  • the reason that houses aren't being torn down wherever some slumlord let them deteriorate is because they are probably being investigated by the Historic Preservation Com. and some people are interested in restoring and preserving New ALbany's history.

    Granted not all homes fit this description, but before potential pieces of history are destroyed some people want to do their homework.

    By Anonymous int in preservation, at 10:30 AM, January 14, 2006  

  • In response to Historic Preservation,
    we respect and admire their work.

    However, there are trashy buildings with the doors and windows wide open and a danger that near schools the children can gather there and be in danger.

    The police also ignore these dangerous gathering places near the schools.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:52 PM, January 14, 2006  

  • I'll put up a few pictures to let you folks know of some really terrible houses, yes multi-unit rentals, that I have called the building Commissioner about THREE TIMES and he still hasn't shown up. These houses are a danger to anyone living in them, and there are babies in one.
    The entire back side of one is about to fall off, and the other has a rat infestation that even the Health Dept. wouldn't follow up on after repeated calls.
    I'm at a loss for words.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 1:14 PM, January 14, 2006  

  • Truth Finder-
    Can you give me some examples of the "wild rumors" you speak of?

    By Blogger East Ender, at 1:16 PM, January 14, 2006  

  • ok, lets see: The drainage dept. employees will lose their jobs, Rumpke was the winning bid, misappropiation of city funds, unreported sso's, The mayor wants to be chairman of a new storm board, Bush in New Albany, Dan Coffey will be council president, Randy Smith is dept. mayor, Baylor rides a bike because of DUI, Baylor got his money from his ex, need I say more?

    We got Your #

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:37 PM, January 14, 2006  

  • i agree about the houses in dangerous position. Please please please call Paul Robertson our building commissioner, many of the neigbborhood assoc are really busting it to help Pam Badger out, but Paul is her boss, and there is only so much you can do.

    Call every day, send letters do what it takes to help clean up our city.

    It is also not as easy as some may think to get a building condemned and torn down. Lot's of times the landlord is absentee and the city can't tear down without consent. Even if the landlord gives consent who do you think has to foot the bill? That's right, the city.

    Once the building is torn down, then what? who picks up and disposes of the refuge?

    Your council members should be activly involved in this so Price, Coffee LISTEN UP!

    By Anonymous int in preservation, at 2:39 PM, January 14, 2006  

  • come on EE, we called your bluff now defend your wild rumors

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:32 PM, January 14, 2006  

  • RIGHT ON-- CIVIC ACTIVISTS---

    WE SHALL OVERCOME FOR THE GOOD OF THE PEOPLE IN NEW ALBANY.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:40 PM, January 14, 2006  

  • Got my # ????? I don't think so.
    You're just trying to quell the voices of the citizens who are not at all pleased with Garner's term thus far. Too many mistakes.
    Did you forget to mention the appointments to positions out of political favortism rather than qualifications, or is that one just too obviously true?
    First, let me remind folks that this blog is for the citizens of New Albany to SPEAK OUT LOUD and ask questions, bring forth their concerns, and discuss the issues.
    That has been the mission from the start, and nothing has changed except that R&R want to now tag us as "liars" for the questions we raise. Questions that no one seems to have answers for, except Randy who obviously has access to privileged information. Just like the Sanitation contract that somehow landed in his hands before Council members even saw it.
    This blog, unlike VH, is not the Mayor's press release blog, it is for the people. The people are allowed to ask questions about the things they hear, the things they witness in Council sessions, and the "rumors" that fly around this little town of ours.
    So, let's have at it....
    1.Drainage Employees.
    The Council passed a resolution that mandated these salaries to be paid from the new "Stormwater user fee" fund by the first of 2006.
    However, as of the first of 2006, there is no money in this fund because the fee has yet to be assessed. So, how are they being paid? It is easy to say their salaries are being "charged to" the Stormwater fund, but with no $$ there, where are they pulling the money from? Did Council approve a transfer of funds (required for anything over $500)that we missed? Or is Garner just doing things at his own discretion? Furthermore, how does Randy know where their salaries are coming from if the 2006 budget has not yet been recieved from the State?
    By the way, it may be worth your time to peruse the IND.GOV web site and read the legislation that is going to relieve many citizens from being saddled with this fee from their local Government.
    Also, you might want to read the fine print attached to the Rule 13 Federal mandate that states, if a seperate board is set up to manage the Stormwater mandates, the Mayor is REQUIRED to be the Chair of this board, and it comes with a salary. Didn't you go to the public meetings they had for this? I did, and the Mayor admitted to knowing that this was the case.
    Let's take a break here before we move on to the other "rumors".

    By Blogger East Ender, at 4:49 PM, January 14, 2006  

  • int in preservation -
    I appreciate your dedication to staying on the backs of the proper officials until we get the job done, and I will continue to call and persist until we get some resolution for these properties.
    As for what happens $-wise when the City takes on the expense of tearing down a building and cleaning the lot, in many instances the owner concedes the land to the City as payment for the work.
    The City then owns land that can be redeveloped in any number of ways.
    This was the case on East Market when a dilapidated house was torn down, the property was eventually put into the hands of the CHDO, which built 2 new homes and placed 1st time home owners into them.
    It was a terrific project that needs repeating.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 5:40 PM, January 14, 2006  

  • 1. There is no 2006 budget approved by the state; no storm water fees assessed yet nor collected; and monies have not be re-appropriated to pay these workers. If you have a copy of these things, Council and their attorney need copies asap.

    2. Please go to IND.GOV and look at your House and Senate Bills now up for vote in legislature and you may find a little nugget there about stormwater and if you don't contribute to a storm water drain, you ain't paying that fee. Seems like a lot of cities are going to be collect a lot less monies.
    3. This blog needs no defending, nor does the person representing it, nor do the people who write THEIR OPINIONS on here. Like it or not, we will call a spade a spade, the WAY WE SEE IT (at every meeting).
    4. Go away and talk amongst yourselves. You don't have the answers and only want to bastardize those who do want them. Why? Might lose out on those pet projects if the State cuts that Budget by $2 or $3 million? WHOA...
    5. Seeing you leave and accompany the Mayor every where during public meetings has called more than one taxpayer to ask Smith who he works for and the press asked him who he was. He was mortified. As he said "I assumed EVERYONE knew me". How pompous.
    6. It's ground clutter, Laura, and ignore, ignore, ignore.
    7. Too many of us, not enough of them, can't you tell by their postings. And please God (I pray every night) I will see a Court of Law to straighten out the finances and the "selective enforcement" that goes down in this town.
    Now, twist and turn this and that into whatever you wish. No sweat off our brows.
    You sure you're just not mad about being caught with "blog" press credentials (ha ha) and now with your insinuations you know WHAT THE 2006 BUDGET SAYS? You have stepped in it, not Laua; but we understand why you're swinging.
    You're trying to save your credibility; but alas, to probably almost each and every last of us, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY.
    Have a good one. OUR FAMILY'S OPINIONS.

    By Anonymous $$$$$$$, at 6:15 PM, January 14, 2006  

  • You really blew it this time Randy.
    Put up or shut up! He needs to retract his comments. Now who is the liar now "KOJAK."

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:34 PM, January 14, 2006  

  • As for calling me out about the things said about Roger, I never said those things myself, and you really don't want to go there. Talk about slanderous. Roger has gone over the line too many times, and I have ignored (but I have kept copies).
    More importantly, I believe this is really stretching for something to fuss about, let alone to call me a liar.
    YOU, Randy, are way out of line.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 6:41 PM, January 14, 2006  

  • Freedom of Speech now has a great article on Christians. We all need to be on our knees praying that the City of New Albany can be straightened out.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:15 PM, January 14, 2006  

  • Laura, read this very carefully.

    If you are implying that I have written any of the anonymous comments referenced in your posting, or that I know who did write them, then you are a liar, plain and simple.

    Plain and simple. I did not write them, and I don't know who did write them.

    Now, kindly be an adult and retract your lie.

    Or do the "rules" you claim to uphold not apply to you?

    By Blogger The New Albanian, at 8:32 PM, January 14, 2006  

  • By the way, while we're on the topic of lies, Concern aka "Erik" Taxpayer still owes me a retraction for the mayor's office lie last May.

    Some of you have such a hard time admitting you were mistaken about something. Why is that?

    By Blogger The New Albanian, at 8:46 PM, January 14, 2006  

  • NEWALBANIAN:

    Who is ERIC? Where and when did he appear?

    Just wondering, you've been looking for him a while, now.
    Thanks.

    By Anonymous Curious, at 10:24 PM, January 14, 2006  

  • Well, I still haven't found the Erik I'm looking for (apologies to Bono), but there's been so little time given the volume of business at work.

    Man, there's a lot of $12 pints goin' across the bar ...

    By Blogger The New Albanian, at 10:38 PM, January 14, 2006  

  • Roger-
    YOU READ THIS CAREFULLY...
    Enough!
    I will not even respond to these senseless allegations, or give any credence to any more slander.
    This CRAP stops right here, right now. IGNORE, IGNORE, IGNORE.
    We have better things to do, and we are getting back to our mission of Civic Activism.
    We have a City to look out for, and we will not be sidetracked by this campaign of trying to silence our voices.
    SPEAK OUT LOUD NEW ALBANY!!!

    By Blogger East Ender, at 1:26 AM, January 15, 2006  

  • Roger, One question. You say you run a successful business, so how and when do you have so much time to get up in Laura's business all the time?

    I think you have pretty much exhausted all avenues here trying to get people to care about what you think. You run a bar, have your own web site, and you are a family man I'm sure, but yet you still have all this time to make it a point to come here and waste precious space that is supposed to be for citizens concerns. Not concerns about what you're doing (or not doing).
    You and Randy slide those $12 pints back and forth as you try to find a way to stop the train that has already left the station.
    People are on to the dirty politics in this town, and they won't stand for it any longer.
    Laura has given a voice to these people and you can't take that away, no matter how much you don't like it.

    P.S.
    I'll be glad to sling hash with you anytime. See you on YOUR blog

    By Anonymous The Real Ms. T. Smith, at 2:24 AM, January 15, 2006  

  • A M E N ! ! ! !

    By Anonymous A New Albany PERSON, Too..., at 3:17 AM, January 15, 2006  

  • NEWALBANIAN

    YOU ARE A LIAR! AND YOU HAVE FINALLY NOW MET YOUR MATCH...
    ACCEPT IT AND LIVE WITH IT...

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:37 AM, January 15, 2006  

  • Laura, your assertions as to the authorship of the anonymous comments simply are not true. Neither I nor Randy were responsible. Neither I nor Randy know who wrote them. If I knew, I would try to put a stop to it, as
    I detest anonymity in such a form, and I do not sanction it.

    That's the simple truth. You can delete or deal with it as you please.

    By Blogger The New Albanian, at 10:51 AM, January 15, 2006  

  • hummm,no response, ok, now back to business....

    By Anonymous the real ms t. smith, at 3:30 PM, January 15, 2006  

  • Can we delete new albanian forever!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:35 PM, January 15, 2006  

  • Now, that's funny! Our opinion!

    By Anonymous The Rumour Mill...., at 4:46 PM, January 15, 2006  

  • If anonymity is so controversial and confusing for some, why not eliminate it? As evidenced by a recent poster claiming to be a college professor, it isn't as if one can't still choose to remain hidden by a facade of deceit.

    By Blogger Richard Rush, at 4:59 PM, January 15, 2006  

  • I second that comment> All in favor
    hit your delete button on the count of 3.
    Bye...bye... new albanian

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:11 PM, January 15, 2006  

  • richard rush,

    Then don't read it!

    And what is your point?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:15 PM, January 15, 2006  

  • richard rush,

    So anonymous is deceit?
    Wrong.. anonymous is being smart in this town.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:21 PM, January 15, 2006  

  • Some people still have a lot to learn in this town. And you have just got to have a lawyer on retainer to live here, but it is hard to find one that has not done work for the City and can represent you.
    Good luck to you and yours. Our opinions. And if you choose to comment on this blog, be prepared to be bastardized on the other 2. And that's how it is in New Albania. At least, those are our experiences and opinions.
    Unfortunately for you, we're not going to put our names on here either.

    By Anonymous JUST GOTTA BE ANON, at 6:16 PM, January 15, 2006  

  • Can anyone tell us how many lawsuits the City of New Albany is facing? That's an important question which needs an answer.

    Can anyone tell us if the reason Georgetown hasn't rendered their payment to us is because of an agreement worked out to the end result being Georgetown doesn't Have To Pay until they get Sewer Credits? And, we still do not understand why four to five attorneys, maybe even six were involved in the "settlement"?

    Please tell us what fund the "8 Drainage People" are being paid out of.

    Is the Volunteer Hoosier simply looking at the proposed budget, or a real time budget that has come in from the State, which then in turn means Council again haven't seen same?

    Did you take the opportunity to look at the State's website and see the Stormwater Bill up for talks and legislation? Very interesting. If there is no storm drain usage, there can not be a fee. We do good to see who is on sewers, can't imagine figuring out who is on storm drains. This one ought to be a doozy. This bulletin also states City's will be harvesting less money than they thought from this program. What is our impact?

    Do you know when the 2004 AUDIT from the State of Indiana will be in? Rumour has it this month; why the holdup? Why the holdup on the Budget? Any one out there know?

    Did they fix our firehouse so we can turn the lights off and on now? Or, do we still have to unscrew the lightbulbs to turn off the lights? Who was the designer on that one? We've forgotten.

    There should be some hellatious headlines in the news this year; and some very serious issues. Here's to sticking to the issues and may the good Lord help us on the headlines. We can almost see them in our heads as we key here.

    It will probably get worse, before we can get it better. We still have unresolved issues (outstanding matters) that need serious attention, long before Scribner Place does. Our family would be happy to carry around a petition for citizens to get this issue on the ballot, seeing our property taxes are at risk.

    Thank you for the opportunity to be heard and a way for our family to express our concerns. Keep up the good work.

    By Anonymous Back to Basics, at 6:35 PM, January 15, 2006  

  • QUOTE ON TV INTERVIEW------

    IT IS PATRIOTIC TO ASK THE TOUGH QUESTIONS.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:06 PM, January 15, 2006  

  • Laura, you are being very wise in not allowing the Progressives to irritate you and then, detract you from the serious problems facing the city of
    New Albany today.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:08 PM, January 15, 2006  

  • Let me provide a little more information on the Stormwater issue, I mean, since I did my homework and everything, I might as well share. The site is:
    http://www.citiesandtowns.org/
    "Environment"
    "SB 76 Storm water fees (Long) provides that the special taxing district for a local unit's storm water system cannot include property that does not discharge storm water into the unit's system or is served by another storm water system, and prohibits the unit's storm water board from charging user fees or levying a special benefits tax on property not served by the system. This is a concern to municipalities in that revenues needed to meet obligations under NPDES permits will be reduced."
    This is pending legislation, and we are oh so glad to see it.
    We still maintain that they cannot charge some property owners with this fee and not ALL property owners. But, that's just our opinions of course.
    What do you folks think?

    By Blogger East Ender, at 7:38 PM, January 15, 2006  

  • back to basic

    2004-audit-- in 2-4 month's email from state board of accounts.

    Several lawsuits more to come!

    Jan. 17 deadline on Georgetown-2 Million-$$$$$$$$$

    If you want to get "sick" go to Floyd County Democrat Party web-page and they have a Roger Baylor blog spot on Barron Hill....another closet republican

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:09 PM, January 15, 2006  

  • Thanks for the info on Georgetown, and the Stormwater issues. Swirling all around our heads, huh? Tomorrow is another day, as Scarlett O'Hara said.

    East Ender, does that state a "special district of some sorts" will be set up? Kinda in the order of say, the Metropolitan Sewer District over in Louisville? Heard some mentionings of that kind of structuring.

    How are they possibly going to figure out whom is utilizing NA's storm drainage system. The City and others are still trying to figure out how many cross-connections there still may be, if any, (which is where the sewer drainage is plugged in with the storm drain.

    Like someone said earlier, this ought to be interesting.

    But, it sure don't have to be this way. Got to be a better way.

    Thanks again.

    By Anonymous Back To The Issues, at 8:34 PM, January 15, 2006  

  • Back to issues-
    I'll check on that Stormwater "special district of some sort", should be interesting indeed. This thing is just so messed up, I'm thinking they won't be bringing sewer billing back in-house anytime soon.
    As for Georgetown, we really could use that $2mil they owe to get us back on track with fixing our sewers. Remember this when they start talking about rate hikes! Thinking about the Scribner Place plans, since we recently learned the Boat has changed ownership, we're not feeling real comfortable about them still being around 17 years from now. Who knows???
    With the Bonds backed with our property taxes, this is looking more and more like a dangerous proposition.
    Also, remember all those EDIT dollars pledged for the next 17 years!!!
    Scribner Place needs to be put on the ballot so we can vote on it.
    Lots of stuff to look into, and lots of information coming our way. We will continue asking the hard questions, even if it makes some folks uncomfortable.
    Thanks everyone for the words of encouragement and support.
    Continue to Speak Out Loud NA!!!

    By Blogger East Ender, at 10:47 PM, January 15, 2006  

  • Let's see,

    1. The Broadus Lawsuit
    2. The ADA Consent Decree (are we in compliance with that thing)?
    3. EPA & DOJ
    4. State of IN & Agreed Order
    5. Heard rumors of someone suing over a sidewalk spill
    6. Georgetown
    7. Attorneys over Georgetown

    We better check the Federal and County Courthouse and get a handle on all of these outstanding items, too. We are concerned about these issues, too.

    By Anonymous IT'S JUST ZEROES, at 12:07 AM, January 16, 2006  

  • SCRIBNER PLACE----- HOW CAN WE GET SCRIBNER PLACE ON THE BALLOT SO THAT WE TAXPAYERS HAVE A SAY ON HOW OUR PROPERTY TAX MONEY IS BEING SPENT?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:13 AM, January 16, 2006  

  • The EDIT monies have been pledged for Sewer Bonds, along with TIF funds. You can not repledge EDIT, after Council passed resolutions -- COUNCIL is in charge of the monies.

    Taxpayers need to get this straightened out with Council, which means digging through volumes of legal paperwork for taxpayer activists. We're working on this issue to that end; and I understand others are looking at trying to get it on the ballot.

    Wouldn't it be nice if Council simply rescinded this issue until the monies are straightened out? Until they figure out WHERE WE ARE FINANCIALLY; especially where we are with the sewer bond.
    Our opinions.

    By Anonymous IT'S JUST ZEROES, at 7:32 AM, January 16, 2006  

  • P.S. We should say "sewer bond(S)...", plual.

    By Anonymous IT'S JUST ZEROES, at 7:34 AM, January 16, 2006  

  • East Ender,

    Reading several blogs and especially one in particular has given me heartburn this morning.

    Honesty? Integrity? Liars? Issues?

    Where do I start? Honesty -- always a good one. What campaign promises has this Mayor kept to the public and to you personally, if you don't own a business? Has he kept his word? What about the platform he ran on about he being such a good businessman? He would be totally bankrupt if his other landlord had come clean, I hear RUMOURED.

    Honesty would also play a role with the Assistant Mayor, oops.
    Make that the Operations Manager. Aliases; criminal past with records sealed by the ex-County Prosecutor. Evidence that was controlled by that same office is now getting ready to come to light in our new trials with Camm/Boney. What an ugly little mess this one is. Sure hope noone pipes up here and says this one isn't a taxpayer's issue, seeing, let's see 1.8 million for Camm and how much to try Boney now? Every person in this County has a dog in this fight, just because of the monies. We happen to agree with the "Forum" and Roundenbush in so far as the buck does not stop at Stan Faith's door. Those kind of monies demand answers to some ugly kind of questions. Like, who know what, when, where, and why?

    And, where is Greams? Why won't someone take the issue we've heard RUMOURED about the mis-use of that credit card to the Prosecutor?

    And David White, and Eddie Hancock, and ...

    I have to ask myself, now, which fantasy world am I living in here in New Albany. The irony of it all is sickening to me and mine.
    Thank you for your blog where at least people can put the tough issues out a lot faster with the electronic medium, rather than standing up speaking at Council and hoping the Press picks up on what you are saying. We noticed one speaker at the last meeting who's words went right over the Council's heads, because they do not understand the financing of government; the past and what has been pledged towards "projects"; and especially the sewer system.

    Keep up the good work, and after the dishonesty we've seen and the lies we have been told, we will be sticking to this blog as our way to help in civic activism. Thanks for giving us a shot at it, East Ender. Have a good day.

    By Anonymous Another Fed Up Citizen, at 7:57 AM, January 16, 2006  

  • QUESTION: HOW CAN MAYOR GARNER HAVE THE GUMPTION TO KEEP ON SPENDING OUR PROPERTY TAXES AS HE DOES NOT OWN PROPERTY AND PAY PROPERTY TAXES LIKE WE DO?

    ISN'T THERE SOME REQUIREMENT THAT AN ELECTED OFFICIAL LIKE THE MAYOR HAVE TO BE A PROPERTY OWNER AND PAY PROPERTY TAXES?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:57 AM, January 16, 2006  

  • Anon 9:57

    No.

    By Blogger Iamhoosier, at 10:55 AM, January 16, 2006  

  • Iamhoosier is right. There is no requirement for them to own property, only that they have an established residence here.
    The other issues brought up have a lot of merit as they are questions we should be able to get answers to. We'll try.
    We do this because we care about New Albany and its future, not because we are trying to cause trouble.
    The trouble is already here. We have to find answers for these troubles to get the City back on its feet.
    In my opinion, we absolutely need to freeze spending until we recieve an accurate audit that tells us where we are financially.
    To get Scribner on a ballot we would need to organize petitions for signatures that represent this is what the people want.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 12:18 PM, January 16, 2006  

  • $$$$$$$$

    You wrote:
    "IAMHOOSIER has already admitted on here he doesn't know that much about budgets, but glad he is now twisting and turning the other way. Someone's got his # too."

    I am not quite sure what you are saying. If you are out there could you please explain a little more for me. Thanks

    By Blogger Iamhoosier, at 12:26 PM, January 16, 2006  

  • i would say go fly a kite $$$$$ but that takes some mental capacity, lacking here obviously

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:10 PM, January 16, 2006  

  • IGNORE, IGNORE, IGNORE!!!

    By Blogger East Ender, at 3:37 PM, January 16, 2006  

  • east ender

    Your wrong some elected officials "DO" have to own property!!!!! We have it in black and white. Not just a residence.
    Were checking with the Indiana State Election Board on the Mayor.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:01 PM, January 16, 2006  

  • IAMHOOSIER: $$$$$ is out of town. That family will be a week or so getting back to you. FYI

    By Anonymous Friends, at 6:14 PM, January 16, 2006  

  • anonymous 6:01-
    OK. Some elceted officials DO have to own property, but the Mayor was the one I thought you were refering to in your question.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 6:52 PM, January 16, 2006  

  • Somebody should tell have the courage to tell candidate Baron Hill about what the Floyd County Democrats are doing here.

    Article by Baylor about Baron Hill on web page by Democrat Chairman Stumler.

    OH my..........................

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:48 PM, January 16, 2006  

  • To Friends said:

    Thanks.

    By Blogger Iamhoosier, at 8:01 AM, January 17, 2006  

  • maybe we should call this the "speak out loud about how everyone else is doing it wrong"....what a bunch of hypocrites.....you create a blog that incubates a hostile environment, then have the nerve to question the environment you created......this is why you people can't get anything done....you can't have it both ways.....tough problems require tough solutions....and guess what, sometimes those solutions aren't popular.....it's called being an adult.....being responsible.....and accountable.....instead of whining about all the lewd comments on your blog, remind yourself that you created this safe haven for the people who have no interest in solutions, just conflict.....

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:38 AM, January 17, 2006  

  • Ground clutter, I say, Ground Clutter. Ignore, Ignore, Ignore!!!!! We demand accountability and responsibility from you as an elected official, or appointed (whichever you are).

    Tell me one, just one, promise this Administration has kept? Tell us where the 2006 APPROVED Indiana Budget is for Council?
    Tell us what fund the "Drainage" people are being paid out of?

    Hypocrisy - yeah, we are up to our knees in it, that and the crap.

    Really enjoy your blanket statements about "us creating a safe haven" for whatever you are talking about. We're trying to create one, and we have almost thirty years to undo.

    Please tell it to someone else, just not us.

    We will always question government. Isn't that the "patriotic" and "right" thing to do? Can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
    Our opinions of what you wrote.
    Thanks for letting us SHARE, also.

    By Anonymous A RESPONSE TO YOU, at 2:43 PM, January 17, 2006  

  • tough problems require tough decisions???? Let's see, where have I heard that before?
    Oh yeah, in the paper, when Garner was trying to make excuses for bad decisions.
    Being an adult, responsible, accountable?????
    Gee, all the things we beg from our leaders, yet can't seem to get.
    Attributes that are missing from our current administration.
    The only hostility on this blog is when people like YOU, and the R&R gang decide to show up.
    That's OK. We're used to it. We know we're stepping on toes and getting too close to the real way things are done around here.
    I think that whining you hear is coming from inside your own head.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 3:00 PM, January 17, 2006  

  • The hostile enivronment "they" are referring to would really be the City Council meetings, wouldn't it? Hee. Hee.

    By Anonymous ANON ON PURPOSE, at 4:13 PM, January 17, 2006  

  • CONCERN TAXPAYER WE NEED YOUR HELP!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:16 PM, January 17, 2006  

  • Lighten up, Indeed.
    Roger and Randy,
    heal thyself
    first....

    Grab a Bud lite and get over yourself....

    Your both nothing but "a**holes"

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:29 PM, January 17, 2006  

  • newalbanian

    No amount of delusion dribble will ever change the facts.
    New Albany is flat broke.
    We all know the truth,
    and your in flat denial.
    Your arrogance, narcissism, selfishness, and vitriol makes me want to puke.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:47 PM, January 17, 2006  

  • Hey, anon. 4:29 -
    Let's not use the same kind of ugly name calling they use. OK?
    We don't need to stoop to their level.
    We have the truth on our side.
    Take the high road.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 4:51 PM, January 17, 2006  

  • well laura if you dont like what anon at 4:29 said then dont you have an obligation to delete it, or is this more of your selective enforcement again?

    By Blogger Tim Deatrick, at 4:58 PM, January 17, 2006  

  • So Tim, is this what you do with your days? Sit and watch this blog for comments you can jump in on?
    So sad.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 5:10 PM, January 17, 2006  

  • By the way, selective enforcement is the City's way of doing things.
    If they can't be held accountable, how can you expect anything, or anyone, else to be any different?
    You know how things are done in New Albany. Some things/people are treated one way while others are treated another way.
    Isn't this the accepted mode of operation?

    By Blogger East Ender, at 5:18 PM, January 17, 2006  

  • gee laura so nice of you to care so much how I spend my day, I am sure my work is more productive than being a consulting sociologist, care to do some field studies with me one day, of course you may get wet we do actually get in streams in all kinds of weather

    By Blogger Tim Deatrick, at 5:27 PM, January 17, 2006  

  • seems like you spend most of your day bashing the mayor and creating conflict, is this some kind of experiment you are running? How sad

    By Blogger Tim Deatrick, at 5:32 PM, January 17, 2006  

  • Ahhhhh, does Jimmy think he's being bullied? Cry me a river.
    Correction:
    We ask questions about relevent issues and expect someone to be held accountable.
    We bring up circumstances they try to shove under the rug.
    We oppose "creative bookkeeping".
    We want answers.
    We need information.
    We want our sewers fixed.
    We want to know where the money is.
    None of this would create conflict if others were not trying to shut us up. They don't have the answers, or they don't want the answers to be public knowledge.
    Too many deals done "under the table", so to speak.
    Time to have that table jerked out from under them so the truth can be known.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 5:49 PM, January 17, 2006  

  • Just out of curiosity, who is trying to shut you up?

    By Blogger bluegill, at 6:05 PM, January 17, 2006  

  • Oh c'mon, you're kidding right?

    By Blogger East Ender, at 6:07 PM, January 17, 2006  

  • Nope. Not kidding.

    By Blogger bluegill, at 6:14 PM, January 17, 2006  

  • Tim KNOWS ALL, SEES ALL, TELLS ALL, AND CAN TELL EVERYONE HE KNOWS EVERYTHING ABOUT ANYTHING.

    ANSWER THE QUESTIONS, TIM. GOTTA ANY ANSWERS, EXCEPT HOW GREAT THOU ART? DIDN'T THINK SO.

    YOU ARE EXACTLY WHAT WE CALL GROUND CLUTTER.

    PASS ANOTHER PINT AROUND BOYS...HE'LL NEED ONE LATER THIS EVE.

    By Anonymous Timmy, Timmy, Timmy, Timmy, Timmy, Timmy, Timmy (got it)...., at 6:28 PM, January 17, 2006  

  • timmy,

    Have you ran out of bullets. Is your new skeeter gun broke and your blaming us? Ask us.... if what you and bluegill have to say deserves answering?
    Go play with roger. Mayor wannabeeeeeeeeeee....

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:21 PM, January 17, 2006  

  • bluegill-
    Just curious...
    How about elaborating on the "check" you got?
    Then you told me if I would only keep my mouth shut I could be new car shopping like you.
    Remember those comments?

    By Blogger East Ender, at 8:29 PM, January 17, 2006  

  • It's not Bluegill's fault that you didn't catch the joke back then.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:03 PM, January 17, 2006  

  • Yeah... and it's not Laura's fault if bluegill's idea of a joke is a reflection of the corruption in this town.
    Nobody's laughing.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:50 PM, January 17, 2006  

  • so funny

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:50 AM, January 18, 2006  

  • To the 8:09 ANON posting on February 15, WE DIDN'T GET OUR MONIES FROM GEORGETOWN. Now what? Thank you.

    By Anonymous Anonymous right back to you, at 6:39 PM, January 18, 2006  

  • P.S. Make that January 15th. Thank you.

    By Anonymous P.S. TO ANON, at 6:40 PM, January 18, 2006  

  • THE LITTLE PEOPLE OF NEW ALBANY ARE UNITED..........

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:16 AM, January 19, 2006  

  • united in stupidity

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:16 AM, January 19, 2006  

  • THERE'S THAT GROUND CLUTTER -- AGAIN, AND AGAIN, AND AGAIN.

    By Anonymous Anon, at 12:41 PM, January 19, 2006  

  • Isn't it amazing?
    They obviously have issues. But ot the kind we're talking about here.
    Anonymous 11:16
    I think there's a web site:
    www.hateful.org
    They can help work out those frustrations.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 12:51 PM, January 19, 2006  

  • council meeting tonight please be there to speak out loud!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:28 PM, January 19, 2006  

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