Speak Out Loud NA

Saturday, January 07, 2006

Let the Games Begin....

As most folks are, I am as well, immersed in changes for the new year. Some are wrapped around resolutions made for 2006, others are just life as it progresses, and more come from changes in my environment. Still, the common thread is, the 2006 year will be one of changes. I think that's a good thing. I certainly feel good about it.
We are way past time for changes to occur in New Albany and, I think, no matter where you stand in this melting pot of ISSUES that are consuming our community, then you gotta be feeling good about changes too.
Of course, there are many, many, different ideas about just what the particular changes in New Albany need to be, ought to be, should be, or could be. Nothing very different than the same questions we ask of ourselves, and our individual lives, every time we have a legitimate offer for a "re-do", or a "start over", which is exactly what every new year brings to us.
That's probably why everybody traditionally gets drunk. It can be difficult to deal with changes. Making decisions and using our 'choices in life' to commit ourselves for the coming 12 months, -the next year, the next 5 years, the next 20 years-, to taking the steps necessary to keep up with the all the changes. It takes a commitment, or a resolve, to take our best shot at our chances of a 're-do'. So, we spend the first few days of this opportunity every year, and live in a haze, a thoughtful mood, a reflective contemplation, a re-assessment, of where we are, vs. where we need to be (or a hangover, depending on your inclinations).
Now, notice I didn't say "want to be". I said "need to be". Let me be very clear on that point. Lot's of us "want" a lot of stuff. Materialistic, or conceptually, we all "want" everything. Yet, how much do we really "need"?
I think the bottom line of what any individual "needs", is to be able to face themselves in the mirror every day, and be able to like the person who's looking back at them. The one question we ask ourselves, all the time... "Am I doing the right thing?" Making decisions and choices every day, with every opportunity, we need to believe in our hearts that we did the right thing, we did it the best way we could, and we are satisfied with the person in the mirror.
We need to look at our community in the same ways. Do we like what we see reflected back at us? I don't think so. I don't care who you are, or who you 'believe', about the ISSUES at hand, you can't legitimately look at New Albany in its current state of shambles, and say that you like what you see. We have a MESS!!!
Thank you Mayor Garner. (by the way, loved the pie in the face)
I can't imagine what you think about the guy in the mirror. Look around you! How do you stand up and say you're PROUD of what you've done, and think you've done a good job? (see "The Forum" by Jeff Rodenbush, Vol.III, Issue 2.)
Perhaps if the State of the City "Speech" had reflected him taking a little bit of the responsibility for the problems we are experiencing, some folks might have thought that at least he does have some 'character'. Not only is he not a reflection of any sort of 'character' in his quest for the "wants" in his life, having it come at us in print from Randy Smith in the Tribune, and on the "regressive" blogs that it's Garner's "Character that impresses [them]", was all just way too much for us to take.
Folks, it's a new year, and the changes are coming. Changes that are necessary and desired in order to facilitate changes that need to occur in the larger Community. So, as you go about your New Year, with all your Resolutions still firmly implanted in your mind, resolve to do one more thing. Resolve to demand changes that are "needed" for New Albany. We cannot continue down this same path and think we are going to come out of it in tact. We have a new year ahead of us and a new start at turning this town around to the right direction for revitalization and re-growth. For our own quality of life issues as well as the quality of the whole community, and every socio-economic class of that makes up this City, may we all have a better place to call home.
You will soon watch this blog make a few changes to make the experience here more reflective of even larger ideas about what makes a good community. We would like to start off in that direction by providing a link to a very good article regarding Community Networks. As soon as we receive permission from the original author to provide a link, we will post it for you.
In the future, these links and search tools will be available from the front page.
Meanwhile, back at the daily grind of things, we need to turn our immediate attention to the upcoming Monday evening Council Meeting (1/9/06 - 7:30PM), which is the first of our "re-do" opportunities. There is very little business listed on the agenda, as it stands now, so this will be a good time for citizens to address the ISSUES that they feel are most pertinent for future positive changes to occur in New Albany.
Just jot down a few things between now and Monday evening, that you think need to change in order for New Albany to present a better reflection of a good community.
Just remember, change doesn't always mean something has to OCCUR, sometimes it means something must CEASE. Call your Council Member, and let them know what you expect from them as a reflection of your district.
I would like to take this opportunity to say that I think CM Steve Price is doing a great job in being responsive to his constituents, and for NOT being a member of the "goon" squad. He has taken a lot of beatings from the R&R boys, but we think he has tried hard and learned a lot. I suggest Mayor Garner sit down with CM Price and take a good long look at the financials. CM Price knows where the "fluff" is. We think Garner ought to know that information for future reference.

110 Comments:

  • Good posting, Laura. Glad we got that baby's diaper changed, though that baby may have diarrhea...

    Councilman Price keeps our votes, too. He represents our area well. We do have some that are truly for the people and by the people. When others recognize their history lessons and what some on this Council has done for various neighborhoods, maybe their mood will become elevated, but we're not sure about that.
    Take care and keep up that goooood work.

    By Anonymous Blog reader, at 10:11 PM, January 07, 2006  

  • Anyone seen "Erik"? I've been e-mailing him, but he never answers.

    And he doesn't allow comments, either.

    Maybe he isn't there, after all.

    What happened to the nice photo? He was a handsome man, eh?

    Anyway, "Erik", if you're reading, please drop me a line.

    By Blogger The New Albanian, at 11:04 PM, January 07, 2006  

  • newalbanian

    Just maybe you have met your match.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:32 PM, January 07, 2006  

  • CM Price has worked hard to learn the importance of fiscal responsibility. And that's exactly the campaign promise he made to folks when he ran.
    Guess at least one of 'em kept their promises, huh?
    Steve's a good guy.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:47 PM, January 07, 2006  

  • You have to wonder why the progressives stoop so low to intimidate and use "put downs" for those who may not agree with them on EVERY and/or any point. I think they are far too bright and educated to stoop so low. It does not make anyone feel good. Not the people doing the "put down", not the people who are being "put down" and certainly not the people who read the "put down."
    It feels much like the 5th grade bullies who don't want anyone else to have any fun.

    You just have to wonder WHY? What is in it for the progressives for them to put so much effort into it? Could it be because the progressives love New Albany and are afraid the SOLNA blog could ruin New Albany's reputation or is it possible they may have a dog in that race? It is difficult to figure out what exactly is going on, but it sure do not smell right! So say I, what about you?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:46 AM, January 08, 2006  

  • We agree. It does smell funny. All talk, bad at that, and blind faith. Until they have learned the ins and outs of this "little" town, they are being regressive in nature.

    Here are some suggestions for Council to answers:

    1. Is their budget in and approved by the State for 06?

    2. Is the monies appropriated for those eight people that were to be paid out of storm water fees.

    3. Where and how is Garner going to replace those EDIT monies owed to the Sewer department?

    We'll come up with more later.
    Thanks for asking.
    Our opinions.

    By Anonymous Questions,Questions, at 8:45 AM, January 08, 2006  

  • questions, questions-----8:45 AM

    Good point about the EDIT money owed to Sewer Fund. It has been quoted that $270,000 for Bond Payments plus
    $270,000 for inner city sewer repairs is owed to the Sewer Fund.

    $270,000 + $270,000 =$540,000.per yr

    How many years of this pledge was not paid?

    Are their records in the Council minutes to backup these pledges?

    How can the Mayor pledge to Scribner
    Place Project if these pledges have not been paid? Any answers?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:55 AM, January 08, 2006  

  • Still no Erik.

    Whose imagination is he a figment of?

    "Anonymusses?"

    By Blogger The New Albanian, at 9:08 AM, January 08, 2006  

  • QUESTIONS-QUESTIONS 8:45 AM

    I UNDERSTOOD THAT THE SEWER BOND DOCUMENTS SHOW THE ANNUAL $270,000 OF EDIT FUNDS PLEDGED FOR THE SEWER BONDS. HAS ANYONE SEEN THIS DOCUMENT?

    WE CAN SEARCH THE PAST COUNCIL MINUTES
    TO SEE IF THE $270,000 ANNUAL EDIT MONEY IS PLEDGED TO INNER CITY SEWER REPAIRS.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:10 AM, January 08, 2006  

  • You are correct.

    $270,000 + $270,000 =$540,000 annually

    Why won't the progressives/regressives
    help us solve this question of EDIT
    money pledged to Sewer Bonds and inner city repairs?

    How many years back do they owe the money?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:17 AM, January 08, 2006  

  • We can't show, nor can the State, about the years under O's Administration, when these funds should have been put back.

    We can show the monies weren't applied correctly this Mayor's first 2 years. You will find that notation in the Sewer Board minutes about the $270,000 EDIT owed to the Inner-City Fund, and there is a letter from Crowe-Chizek showing the monies of $270,000 pledged through EDIT for the BOND payment. Yet, we read in the paper the BOND payment was coming due, and there are no monies to pay for it.
    Guess the answer to your question is at least, 270,000 + 270,000 of EDIT for 04, $270,000 + $270,000 of EDIT for 05, and who knows if it's pledged in the budget for 06?
    Plus, who knows if it was budgeted or what happened under O's term, when the BONDS were negotiated.

    The Mayor admitted $540,000 was not put into the inner-city maintenance fund out of EDIT, and he did not know where he was going to find the monies. He MUST NOT BE AWARE you can not re-pledge the same monies. Right now, we see them pledged about three different ways; yet there are resolutions and BOND documents stating otherwise. Now what?
    We have an idea, but you know how unpopular that one would be. Suffice it to say there is a BIG issue with these EDIT pledges.

    By Anonymous Some Answers, Not All, at 11:20 AM, January 08, 2006  

  • And, it's even more of a bigger LEGAL issue, because of Appendix D, part of the Consent Decree, which was a FEDERAL requirement on the issue of this 1/2 of the EDIT due to the sewers.
    We could talk hours about this one, but let's not.
    Sure hope Baylor finds Eric; try looking in one of your brewskis. Can you regress further? Even we wonder. Is it the attention? You'll get more if you could just help us with these pesky monies, so you can get your swimming pool built.

    By Anonymous More ?'s & Answers, at 11:26 AM, January 08, 2006  

  • If we take that $5 million figure mentioned in the papers owed on the Bond soon, without the funds to pay for it, I guess we could take those $270,000 amounts back aways.

    Here's another question for the Council. Howcome we, the City, are being sued by 3 attorneys for reaching a "settlement" with Georgetown, yet we haven't been paid yet? We hear Georgetown doesn't want to pay until they know if NA gets credits, so they can finally build something. And, if I'm not mistaken, their liquids are still "trying" to make it to our plant. With the SSOs in that end at Eagles, Budd Rd, Corydon Pike, the Robert E Lift, etc., some of that work was to be paid by that Georgetown monies. If the rumour mill is correct, and Georgetown is either going to build their own plant, or Lanesville is going to do it for them -- this is a quote from an anonymous source state level "NA is screwed". Vicious.
    With the Robert E. Lift "new project" not having been included in even the "modeling" which was the crux for the entire Capacity Assurance Plan (CAP) associated with the Consent Decree (which later became the Preliminary Engineering Report (PER)) required by the State, everything is skewed. That Robert E. Lift was to be fixed under a still in effect AGREED ORDER with the STATE OF INDIANA. And, we don't have the monies for that project either. Tell us where the monies were spent, and tell us how and when this City is going to come into compliance with both the State of Indiana and the EPA?
    We're ready to move on with things and do some real redevelopment. First things, first. Without the infrastructure, gee, go play Sim City and build ya one with software. You can even build a sewer plant.
    Thanks for listening to our questions. Hope someone can answer those.
    Hey, another question for Council would be "when is the '04 Audit from the State due in"? We know it's past due, but it was related at one time it was coming in January of '06. Anyone know?
    Thanks again.

    By Anonymous More Questions, at 11:52 AM, January 08, 2006  

  • you guys are losing it man, time to check into solna's nut house

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:14 PM, January 08, 2006  

  • Another question would be if the TIF monies are there to help pay that $5 million dollar bond. That, along with $270,000 out of EDIT each year since Overton signed the Bonds should have been occurring. This is per Crowe-Chizek, and the Bond documents.

    These ground clutter comments are totally lost in the world of finances, or should I say creative financing, in NA on some of these postings, especially the last one. When you point your finger at us, remember there are 3 pointing back to you, which is really going to make us look even harder. Take care NA.

    By Anonymous Another Question for Council, at 1:28 PM, January 08, 2006  

  • Go look in the Library downtown in the Reference section. Read the CAP Plan, the six or seven versions of the PER plan, go study the SSES report down at the sewer plant (volumes upon volumes), and then go to the Federal Courthouse and get a copy of the SECOND AMENDED CONSENT DECREE, and then get a copy of the AGREED ORDER from the STATE OF IN, and we'll see whom is crazy. Tis a wonder a lot of us aren't, what with ALL THAT READING AND STUDYING WE'VE DONE. What about you, joe blow?
    That's right, regressives don't think, nor can they study their history unless it fits into their "philosophical" way of doing things - "close your eyes and blindly follow the pied piper". Do us a favor -- take some of 'em downtown with you, will you? We appreciate that.
    Our musings, and opinions, and facts. Thanks, Eastender. Hang in there.

    By Anonymous IT'S JUST ZEROES, MON, at 1:32 PM, January 08, 2006  

  • Appears to me, that all the discussions we've had around here for the past month or two has been completely ignored by the "regressives" as being...what do they call it?..."lunatic rantings of the spitwad blogyard". I'm pretty sure that's what they've been saying all along.
    Instead of taking a little advise, and listening to some hints, and going to check those documents and Federal agreements, they have been enjoying just silly "satire".
    Well, some of us have looked. Some of us have read the documents and agreements, and looked at the BIG problems with our infrastructure, and we've LEARNED. We now realize there is no way New Albany can move forward with ANY significant development until THIS ISSUE is dealt with.
    Furthermore, its no longer going to be fixed as easily as assessing more fees to the rate payers, because we are NOT PAYING FOR MORE MISTAKES.
    Yeah, they've got a horse in that race. They are looking at THEIR OWN one, or two, little new developments that the City CAN handle because they require no extra loads to our sewers, and therefore this issue is not a problem for them. They think.
    THINK HARDER.
    This is everybody's problem if you own property or work, or have a business in New Albany. Because this issue is the elephant in the room that everyone wants to ignore. It will be the brick wall that our City is going to hit, face first, if any true progress is going to be in our future.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 2:16 PM, January 08, 2006  

  • Legals published this week for all citizens and taxpayers are as follows for meeting dates (of course, subject to change):

    Council, Jan 9 & 19th 06
    Feb 6 & 16th 06
    Mar 6 & 16th 06
    Apr 3 & 20th 06
    May 1 & 18th 06
    Jun 5 & 15th 06
    Jul 3 & 20th 06
    Aug 7 & 17th 06
    Sep 11 & 21st 06
    Oct 2 & 19th 06
    Nov 6 & 16th 06
    Dec 4 & 21st 06
    Sewer Board and Board of Works Meeting Dates will be put out later. Gotta mark my calendar with these first!

    By Anonymous Great Info Tool, at 2:18 PM, January 08, 2006  

  • Thanks for that information.
    Everybody mark your calanders.
    Should we start a guessing game of how many "special" meetings will be called in '06, or should we just suffice it to say......?
    Every member of every Board, or Commission, or other off-shoot of our City government, better think real hard about some of the decisions you are going to be asked to make in the coming year.
    These dates and meetings are going to be crucial to New Albany's long term well being. (17 years??????)

    By Blogger East Ender, at 2:22 PM, January 08, 2006  

  • Laura, I commend you for finally admitting that your goal is to bring development to a halt.

    Congrats. You'll be remembered forever for ... for ... well, for something.

    May I reprint on NAC?

    Never mind; it's in the public domain, anyway.

    By Blogger The New Albanian, at 5:35 PM, January 08, 2006  

  • For some interesting reading, take a look at a web site called "The Network Observer".
    http://polaris.gseis.ucla.edu/
    pagre/tno.html
    In the second group of titles you will find an article called,
    "How to Kill Community Networks", written by the editor of the site, Douglas Schuler.
    Even though it was written 10 years ago, it speaks very well to the type of activism that exists in the realm of technology based community ties. Example: Blogging
    It also helps to make the point of how, and why, Speak Out Loud NA is different than the 'other' blogs in town.
    SOLNA is an electronic means of 'Town Hall' meetings, that is community driven, in the sense that any/every citizen with access to the Internet has the opportunity to construct and/or actively participate in its contents.
    Contrary to the accusations of instigating a 'Class Conflict' war in New Albany, we've been operating from the perspective of "civic networking at the local community level" (D.Schuler, 1996).
    We like to think we are helping to bridge the information gap between citizens and local government that has been prevalent in this town for far too many years.

    No mastermind plans at work here, no 'class-conflict' wars are on our agenda, and misperceptions of slick 'maneuvering' are just another indicator that we have stepped on toes, and made some folks real uncomfortable.
    I'll take that as a good thing.
    Yes, I do still feel good about the changes that are coming for 2006.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 8:47 PM, January 08, 2006  

  • It's that reading comprehension problem again, New Albanian. Go back and re-read, or are you listening to G Fifer? Heh, Heh...

    Find those words...they just aren't there. Please stay out of left field. You aren't any good with those grand slammers that are being hit here and other places.
    Maybe you don't know when you've been beaten at your own game.
    Regress at your leisure, by all means, but not at ours...
    Spitwads and groundclutter...

    Talk about the monies! That's right. Hubby said you shouldn't be selling YOUR BEER, seeing you don't believe in the numbers, state issued, city issued, no matter what! Boy, we got that one loud and clear; therefore, ramble on like the rolling stone you are; gather that moss; and stay in your cave. Thanks, our opinions to you.
    Now, back to OUR EDIT MONIES. And Bond Documents. And Consent Decrees.
    I know, you didn't like see where your crap was going after you got off that crapper, did you? You still have a lot to learn, my friend. Hang on...Bummmpppy ride. Has been for a while now.

    By Anonymous Fed Up With Ignorance, at 10:32 PM, January 08, 2006  

  • We feel Mr. Gahan may very well win Monday night as Council President. We can live with tht - if he would do one (1) thing.

    We can live with the sign-in sheet; we can live with the five (5) minute public speaking limits; but we really WANT and NEED a Council President who will run the meeting according to CITY LAW, which states Citizen and Taxpayers SPEAK AFTER City Officials. This is the only way the citizens and taxpayers know WHAT TO RESPOND TO and HOW TO RESPOND.

    WE FEEL it would change the entire dynamics of the City Council meetings, if the Council President HIMSELF followed the City Law.

    Is there anyone on this Council strong enough to ask for an amendment to the agenda Monday night (no, do not take a vote to follow a law already in existence), but show by hands ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS A G R E E to be legal.

    Thank you.

    By Anonymous City Council Kind of Person, at 12:42 AM, January 09, 2006  

  • The written word by the FORUM referencing the true going ons in New Albany, and now the electronic medium, great.

    Something I learned a looonnnnggg time ago is this "the pen is mightier than the sword". Over and over this statement has been proven a powerful trueful fact.

    Various people observing this blog, whom were born and use to live here, keep speaking about the "sophomoric" attitude goings on with "NA, particularly.

    This blog is an informational blog, good sources who have everything to lose, possibly if they could not post their "public information" here. Notice I said "public". Certain of you decide to ignore that fact.

    Laura, if we had "sound", we could sure play some interesting tape recordings from various meetings, and maybe a web cab and AIR THOSE DARN CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS!

    Let's get all techie....

    Our Opinions Only....:)

    By Anonymous Detail, Details, at 12:48 AM, January 09, 2006  

  • city council kinda person,
    The order of the agenda is something that must be remedied.
    There is no reason to be conducting Council business out of the prescribed order of process.
    This change is imperative and we support this proposition.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 1:37 AM, January 09, 2006  

  • details, details,-
    Never say never. You have no idea what is likely to happen at some future point in time.
    Technology becoming more useful and available every day.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 1:40 AM, January 09, 2006  

  • Speaking about technology, I just read an interesting post on the NA health blog (Jan 9,06) regarding the lack of integrety of two county commissioners. It is very enlightening and the people of NA need to know these things. Since when are these people elected to place policy and ego ahead of the hospital and community? This is your local hospital citizens of NA. Make them be accountable. We certainly know about the lack of integrety, don't we? Please care - it is your hospital and it is your town!!!

    By Blogger oldernewalbanian, at 9:34 AM, January 09, 2006  

  • Back to the sewer issues... What really burns me up when I think of all the financial problems we are having now is that if the BIG O had kept her "know-nothing" nose out of the situation 3 months prior to her being sworn in as mayor we would have only paid $17M for the the sewer project, not $44M, and we would have had plenty of discretionary money for the repair of secondary lines. Also, if she was set on the $44M repair, she should have had the balls to do the RIGHT thing and raised the rate initially to its appropriate amount for a $44M bond, which would have been closer to 65% rather than 49%, and maybe we wouldn't have lost our sanitation department. However, she asked the bond attorneys to keep the increase under 50% and they did just that. Now we're really paying for it in more ways than one. And she had the nerve to say she was the best thing that ever happened to New Albany. Please give me a brake. All she did was dig our grave a little deeper.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:18 AM, January 09, 2006  

  • Don't mean to interrupt - please forgive, but thought there may be some who would be interested in seeing All4Word beat up oldernewalbanian on NA today blog. Very interesting and very telling. Take a look see what you think!!!

    By Blogger oldernewalbanian, at 11:42 AM, January 09, 2006  

  • get over it Kathleen. You have said it is now the citizens problem and since you don't live here anymore, then you can leave it.

    By Anonymous tired of it, at 11:53 AM, January 09, 2006  

  • As far as speaking at meetings is concerned, we should follow the rules of county comm. and council----that is speakers should only be allowed to spek to agenda items.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:27 PM, January 09, 2006  

  • "Last Thursday, President Bush signed into law a prohibition on posting annoying Web messages or sending annoying e-mail messages without disclosing your true identity"

    Create an e-annoyance, go to jail

    "Whoever...utilizes any device or software that can be used to originate telecommunications or other types of communications that are transmitted, in whole or in part, by the Internet... without disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass any person...who receives the communications...shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than two years, or both."

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:33 PM, January 09, 2006  

  • To tired of it: GET OVER IT, is very mean spirited.

    Did you know you have to hear something six times before you remember it? Ask any educator or advertizing agency.

    You are correct, I do not live in NA any longer, but as of today, I am still a property owner. Would you be so rude to someone who lives in another state, or in the county and owns slum property in NA? Are they silenced as you attempt to silence me?

    Deep wounds heal slowly and I am sorry you are so impatient with me! Please, let me brood for just a little while. I have only had three weeks of posting, now I don't think that is excessive, do you, after all I went through years of no place to go and I am personally very grateful for the opportunity to use the blogs to educate people in NA; and who are you to tell me what to do??? It has to be man, I cannot image a woman being so hateful and unfeeling. Also, the last I heard NA is in Floyd County, right?

    My hope for you is that no one is ever so unfeeling to you should you ever need someone to just listen. My advise to you TIRE OF IT, WATCH, READ, LEARN!!

    By Blogger oldernewalbanian, at 12:46 PM, January 09, 2006  

  • Truth Finders
    Haven't seen ol' Deatrick's byline in the Tribune lately? Did he get himself kicked off that rag too? I actually enjoyed reading his sports and environmental articles. Too bad if he's history with the 'Bune.
    Just wondering

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:08 PM, January 09, 2006  

  • Taking us off point again, 'eh?
    Who the hell cares about what Timmy's doing. Nothing would surprise me.
    Anonymous 12:27 sounds like the Mayor's boy "R". The Citizens should be allowed to speak to ANY issue brought up in Council sessions. Let me check my rules on that one and I'll quote 'em for you.
    Better yet, look Them up yourself!
    Do you STILL need to ask why the Citizens of New Albany are not so convinced that our current Mayor has our best welfare at the top of his priority list?
    Playing ping-pong with our money isn't going over so well either.
    Yet, collectively, you boys tell us to sit back, shut up, and don't interrupt.
    Tired of it 11:53AM -
    Shame on you! That's exactly the attitude this lady recieved from the members of the administration Downtown when she would TRY to get some help.
    Call CM Price, he is VERY knowledgable about her plight.
    Anon- 12:33PM
    Keep it up with the "scare tactics", just like oldernewalbanian was subjected to, and continue your "selective enforcement", of Codes & Ordinances, and I smell something more like an expensive train wreck barrelling your way.
    I'm not going to worry about any attempt undertaken by George W. that would take away my constitutional rights .
    Go tell it somewhere else.
    I think I'll take oldernewalbanian's advise and go check out the NA Today blog site, and read some more of the elitist attitudes towards an old lady who couldn't live in peace inside he City limits.
    This is getting interesting.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 2:38 PM, January 09, 2006  

  • Yeah, Laura, they need to even study the First Amendment to the Constitution. The Second Amendment gives me the right to enforce the First Amendment.

    I know ole GWB has been grasping with our rights and his, but that has nothing to do with what we are talking about here. I guess the NewAlbanian is confused with the lunch banter he had circling around his steins.

    OLDERNEWALBANIAN: Will try and look at the posting later about the hospital. It sounds interesting, and we need an education on that one. Too much up in the air with the moratoriums; lawsuits; differing Commissioner's opinions. Yep.
    I promise I won't get tired to your story about the harassment, because it is still going on with certain other individuals. You keep on preaching, girlfriend. And, I'd really ignore what either VH or NAC has to say. Who cares? They sure to hey don't, so why would we? Keep your faith.
    All in due time.
    SPEAKOUTLOUD, AND LOUDER, NA.
    We only got 5 minutes, so guess ya'll have to speak fast...........

    By Anonymous Taxpayer's Opinions, at 3:12 PM, January 09, 2006  

  • Where's CT?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:25 PM, January 09, 2006  

  • tonight you little people will be so humiliated, you are toast

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:48 PM, January 09, 2006  

  • anon.,3:48PM-
    Why don't you bring your crystal ball with you to the meeting?
    That way the votes will all be known and it will save us some time.
    But wait, who needs the crystal ball? The votes are already known before the meeting anyway, right?
    I thought that's what they waited on before preparing and distributing an official "Agenda".
    Still, you never really know until the votes are cast, do you?

    By Blogger East Ender, at 4:11 PM, January 09, 2006  

  • cry me a river losers

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:16 PM, January 09, 2006  

  • Mister Anonymous-
    We think you have ISSUES of your own you should probably be woking on. Maybe you shouldn't stray into areas where cognitive skills are necessary to participate.
    Otherwise, you might as well just grunt. That's how much intelligence can be attributed to your spastic outbursts.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 4:33 PM, January 09, 2006  

  • (circkets chirping, pins dropping)

    OKay, I'll make a comment. You obviously need entertainment here at the morgue.

    How ironic is it that a blog devoted to "Freedom of Speech" doesn't allow comments?

    It would appear that the "Pledge of Allegiance" posting at non-Erik's place was purloined (without attribution, of course -- remember to "play by the rules" all of the time, or none, wee ones) from the late comic and noted political thinker, Red Skelton.

    Some apparently original versions of Skelton's tearjerker omit "under God" -- as in the one chosen by the non-Erik, aka Ms. "CT" Denhart (or her stenographer, Shirley), to be copied from whichever of hundreds of Internet pages where it appears.

    By the way, Erik, if you're reading -- stay tuned at NAC for the forthcoming Steve Price interview. Should be hot, hot, hot.

    By Blogger The New Albanian, at 1:15 PM, January 10, 2006  

  • Having never posted on the Volunteer Hoosier Blog, I find the words, much less Mr. Smith's conduct at City Council meetings, outrageous, to say the least.

    The people you, Mr. Smith, are trying to harangue have your number, and it's about up.

    If you want to continue underestimating what is really going on in this City, go right ahead. It's your head.

    Isn't it funny the very people you harpoon worked their asses off and voted for your hero "Garner" AND his fellow "goons"? Were you are the Redmans when the person you don't like, ex-Mayor England, annointed James Garner? Hypocrisy, I say. You do not know the facts, and it is very apparent to a lot of people in political circles.

    Now, go and figure out who wrote this posting. The figuring out job of "who wrote what" seems to be falling to Mr. Smith and Mr. LaDuke lately. Go figure that.
    Have a good day, NA.

    P.S. There's so much more I WANT TO SAY, but I will not, because I DO NOT want to be one of the hatemongerers that have grouped together around this Mayor in NA. PEACE. TOLERANCE.

    OUR FEELINGS, REFLECTIONS, DECISIONS, ANGER, AND OPINIONS.

    We're looking for that silver side of those clouds today.

    By Anonymous A hateful person, in MY eyes., at 2:04 PM, January 10, 2006  

  • What is the matter, NEWALBANIAN? No one posting or answering you over on your BLOB today? Too bad, sooooo sad.

    I would say anyone is apathetic about last night's Council meeting. You simply haven't heard the beginning of the rumblleesss yet -- or maybe you have.

    Took a lot of nerve to put that cartoon on the NAC today. Did you send a copy to John? I am sure he will find great humor in same. He is such a your kind of guy, isn't he?

    Hope you did, you can't be that big of a coward, can you?

    Take care.

    By Anonymous Oh Me, Oh My - What is NEXT, at 2:09 PM, January 10, 2006  

  • P.S. Correct that to I WOULDN'T say...Thank you.

    By Anonymous Oh Me, Oh My - What is Next PS, at 2:10 PM, January 10, 2006  

  • President Gahan--------

    The performance by newly elected Pres
    Gahan under the direction of the Mayor and his staff was completely unbelievable! A sad day for the citizens of New Albany.

    New Albany has already gained quite a
    comical/sad image by other parts of the State Of Indiana.

    We are the laughing stock of Indiana.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:56 PM, January 10, 2006  

  • Back to Deatrick. You guys were soundly defeated last night. Word in the pipeline is that Deatrick was kicked off the Tribune--actually he never had a job, but was the best journalist they had. The reason seems to revolve around the SOLNA constant attacks on his character. So, good job SOLNA you cost Deatrick his freelance job. His writing is too good for the Tribune anyway; so expect to see more of it on other blogs.
    Truth Finder

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:17 PM, January 10, 2006  

  • Soundly defeated?
    What game was being played, and who was keeping score?
    The only thing defeated last night was everyones respect for CM Gahan as he attempted to circumvent Dave Huckleberry's rights as a citizen of New Albany.
    First his parents, now him?
    Don't think for a minute that what occurred last night was some sort of "victory".
    It was simply the telling of how this coming year is going to be.
    We got what we needed, and now it's about getting down to business.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 3:47 PM, January 10, 2006  

  • and business is the only things that should be addressed----if it is not on the agenda it should not be addressed----rambling about things that are not before the council or that the council has no control over should not be allowed and it is a waste of everyones time that came to address issues that are on the agenda.That is the was most organiztions are run and our council should be more businesslike and do the same thing.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:37 PM, January 10, 2006  

  • What part of it don't they understand, really?

    1. We pay for their chairs, that table, that michrophone, that podium, the air they're breathing down there, the lights they are using.
    2. Do you know Mr. Gahan I can sit in that building all day long outside the Mayor's office, just because it is a public building, and we PAID for it.
    3. How dare the Tribune say Huckleberry (and Gahan) only uses the podium to insult the Administration. He can talk about whatever he wants to, including the moon and stars if he so choooses.
    4. Need to print the first amendment and send it to Gahan and ask him what part of it he doesn't understand.

    By Anonymous GAVELING GAHAN, at 4:37 PM, January 10, 2006  

  • actually you are wrong---consult the attorney and you will find that it is the president's descretin as to what subjects will be addressed----if you do not believe it----challenge it and see.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:38 PM, January 10, 2006  

  • If things are purported to be put "right" by this Council, then the public speaking portion of the agenda follows the Public Officials speaking time.
    Look it up in Indiana Codes.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 6:01 PM, January 10, 2006  

  • the council president is in charge of running the meeting and if he deemed Mr. Huckleberry to be out of line that is his call, so read and weep little ones you will not be allowed to abuse the mayor or council members this year, dont like dont come to the council meetings , cya crybabies

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:26 PM, January 10, 2006  

  • What's this? Some sort of 'threat' against the Citizens rights by law to attend City Council minutes?
    A slightly veiled attempt to 'suggest' we not say anything at all if it isn't pleasant for the Mayor to hear?
    A guise by which to infringe on our Constitutional Rights of Freedom of Speech?
    Nah.....not around here. After all, these are the same guys who have nooooo problemo letting the Council tapes get aired..... ah, wrong on that one too aren't I?
    They DO have a problem with airing the Council tapes. Wonder why?
    I also have to wonder why they do not follow Indiana Code 30.22 that instructs the order of the agenda, which is for Public Officials to speak BEFORE the members of the public do? Therefore, we could speak to ANY issue that was brought up.
    I think New Albany has a real problem with this selective enforcement thing.
    After reading oldernewalbanian's plight of not getting any help in correcting blatant violations of Indiana Codes, Ordinances, and laws, I would think 'some people' would know to do better at adhearing to the rules in the course of official public business.
    Maybe they need a reminder.
    Gentle or pointed? Readers?

    By Blogger East Ender, at 7:02 PM, January 10, 2006  

  • P.S. anon. 6:26PM -
    Mr. Huckleberry had not yet opened his mouth to say one word before he was pounced on by CM Gahan.
    It was an outrageous and despicable act towards a member of the public.
    And it's on tape.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 7:21 PM, January 10, 2006  

  • They also violated Huckleberry's civil rights!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:46 PM, January 10, 2006  

  • oh are you a const. law expert now

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:39 PM, January 10, 2006  

  • Just people who know our constitutional rights.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:43 PM, January 10, 2006  

  • so go and sue the council then big mouth

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:49 PM, January 10, 2006  

  • We have been hearing those very words for nigh on to eight years. If you don't like it, sue us.

    It's the same old bull sh**,
    just a different Mayor.

    Whoever (or whatever) YOU are, spitting and spewing such slanderous venom on the other two blobs about last night's Council meeting, I believe YOU had a bad night at Council. I believe YOU didn't get to pull off YOUR shenanigans, and ya just might have a problem with it. But, I am allowed to think what I will, and you really don't want to know what that is.

    Our family is embarrassed we even know the Mayor, after witnessing the tirades against seemingly anyone on the other blogs; it's appalling. These people don't have a conscience, or a soul, or a God, or decency, or public spirt, or believe in democracy, or -- well, I can't think of anything.

    Glad they're not my friends, James. Birds of a feather flock together. Your flock has now spoken; you may now have drawn first blood (and declared war upon yourself) by letting these people spit on anyone's efforts to help the City.

    As a Democrat, you are a disgrace, and I hope the City and County tar and feather you and ride you out on a rail. How do you feel about that one? Sorry, niceness has gone out the window with you. Wanna play? Game on.

    THAT IS HOW WE FEEL!!!! THIS IS OUR OPINIONS OF YOU AND YOUR FLOCK!!!! See ya in the funny papers, where else? (Next time, don't bend over so far -- the camera caught that bald spot and it 'bout blinded us!) Hee. Hee. Again, just our feelings.

    Now, tell us where the monies are; tell us about the sewer meeting we knew nothing about today concerning financials; let's get back to the issues. I know, you don't want to talk about them, but WE DO.

    By Anonymous ONE ANGRY DEMOCRAT OF FC, at 11:43 PM, January 10, 2006  

  • you suck

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:47 AM, January 11, 2006  

  • Now, that remark is real mature.
    R&R, please control your young'ns, no matter their age, nor their stature. They need better role models than you guys are able to provide I guess.
    Otherwise, why would they feel a need to be so hateful? Spewing vulgarities is pointless and juvenile.
    Such behavior is usually a common response of frustration. We think you're frustrated because you can't answer our questions, and you can't get us to shut up.
    Flail away at us with attempts at character assasinations, and you will only wound yourself!
    Here's a hint:
    Compliance, Equitable Treatment, Fair Representation, Upholding the Law, Acting in the Best Interest of...need I go on?
    These are NOT OPTIONAL!
    ACCOUNTABILITY is a must!

    By Blogger East Ender, at 1:48 AM, January 11, 2006  

  • ONE ANGRY DEMOCRAT OF FC said...

    Never mind. When gutless anonymous people write things like that, what they have to say doesn't matter. You're the very essence of cowardice, "angry democrat," and perhaps someday the rest of you here will finally grasp that the reason why you're not taken seriously is what I've been saying all along. Take off your masks, come out of your caves, and you might accomplish something. Or, continue to make threats anonymously, and be laughed at by anyone with a sense of fair play. Your choice. As it stands now, your way is pretty much discredited. Juss mah 'pinion, o'coursse

    By Blogger The New Albanian, at 7:58 AM, January 11, 2006  

  • To the readers of the blogs: I got a thought this morning as I took my shower that I really do not feel a whole lot different receiving the beating from the bloggers than I did from the beating I took from the Body Shop next to my home and the thug across the street who enjoyed vandalizing my property and terrorizing me. Actually, the only difference is the timeline. The Body Shop beat me up longer that's all. Now isn't that an interesting comparison.

    I have been told I am OUT OF LINE, I have been told ENOUGH! I have been called a liar by association and pretty much primanded for associating with Eastender. My integrity has been questioned and invited to pretty much GO AWAY.

    What is the difference between the way I was treated by the thugs at the Body Shop and across the street from my home, than the way I have been treated on these blogs.

    I am not a consistent blogger, and only began to blog less than a month ago to make the citizens of NA aware of can happen under everyone noses right here in their town AND they got away with it, and with many, many people's knowledge who should have been able to help me, I might say.

    it is of interest to note, the fellow at the Body Shop would stand on the street and yell as loud as he could, "THIS IS MY TOWN.", "THOSE ARE MY POLICE OFFICERS.", "THAT IS MY MAYOR.", THIS IS MY NEIGHBORHOOD." Now, would that not infuriate you if you were the one paying the taxes, doing the work, paying the bills, not him? Well, don't look now, that is still the case, he is still not paying anything, he would rather you pay and do the clean up. Now, I am so concrete thinking that I never figured out why someone would make a fool out of himself like that, but I realize now what he was saying was "he ran the show on 15th St. and everyone else can "SHUT UP." What is familiar about that? Where have we seen that behavior in recent weeks??

    Apparently, I must have had something they wanted, that I was not willing to give (in both instances). The Body Shop wanted my property or at least the run of it, use of my parking area, etc., and the progressive bloggers want me to agree with them and not be associated with SOLNA or anyone who would blog there.

    As for the Body Shop and the thug across the street, they wished me to SHUT UP about the illegal parking. (Where else can you double and triple park in town and nearly close a street?), he wanted he to SHUT UP about the paint fumes from his business that I could smell inside my home, he wanted me to SHUT UP about the vulgar language, he wanted me to SHUT UP about all the trash that came from that business, and he wanted me to SHUT UP about the fact that city was picking up the dumpster (with hazardous material in it). The city would not take my hazardous material as I worked on my own home for years. Do they take your hazardous materials? I said it then, and I say it now, the city was NOT qualified to pick up a dumpster with hazardous waste. The new outsource company sure will not. Now why is that? As blogger told me, "I DID NOT KNOW WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT." Well, the Body Shop also said I DID NOT KNOW WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. The progressive bloggers want me to not say anything good about the 3rd district councilman and/or anyone associated with SOLNA. It is my personal belief those people want the same thing everyone else does, a better, safer, a more honest government, and a "lay it on the table" town. The reason it goes on and on is that it appears that the people who could answer their questions won't.

    Could this be a GUY thing? I wonder how old these "guys" were when the realized that "girls" were not as physically strong as they were and they could force them to do their will or they would and could hurt the girls. Does this sound familiar. We are still playing the same game, thugs at the Body Shop, thugs on the blogs.

    In order for anyone to "win" there has to be numbers, the more, the better chance to "win." The Body Shop brought in his thugs, and the neighbor across the street who were all more than willing to terrorize the old lady with much destruction to my property. On the other hand, some bloggers would do destruction to my reputation and decide if I am a "liar" by association or not, and as for numbers, there was more than one.

    The people on these blogs should be outraged by the way I have treated on 15th St. and they should be more outraged by the way I have been treated on the blogs by people verbally deciding who I am and what I stand for.

    I just got a great idea, we might apply for a grant to study why men still think they are superior, and the effects it has on the one who is being "ganged up on" and the lasting effects on that behavior on a neighborhood, a town, state generation after generation and on and on.

    BG, I must apolize to you, I had no idea you were so young when I said I was probably your mother's age, I am probably closer to your grandmother's age. So sorry for the error.

    By Blogger oldernewalbanian, at 9:50 AM, January 11, 2006  

  • No threats here, buddy, just facts.
    No coward, either, don't hide behind a bunch of hatemongerers just to "get my way". Learned the art and value of conversation and communication years ago.
    Keep it up, because this is exactly what I was talking about. Better yet, get back to your own blob so we can get back to the issues, which you so desperately want to avoid.
    And, as a Floyd County Democrat for many, many years -- I will say what I damn well want to. See ya, again, in the funny papers.

    By Anonymous MAD AS HELL FC DEMOCRAT, at 9:53 AM, January 11, 2006  

  • P.S. OUR ACTIONS WILL SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS, YOU CAN COUNT ON THAT ONE!

    Sorry OLDERNEWALBANIAN, you posted by the time I finished. Hang in there, 'frin! Have a good day.

    By Anonymous FC DEMOCRAT, at 9:55 AM, January 11, 2006  

  • OLDERNEWALBANIAN--------------

    Bless you, for having the courage to tell it like it is in New Albany.

    We all need to be on our knees praying that the good Lord will give the MAYOR
    the insight to see what kind of group he is running with and listening to.

    The pressure that you, NEWALBANIAN, have endured is terrible.

    Thank you, for having the courage to tell it like it is.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:33 AM, January 11, 2006  

  • To the Democrat Party..........

    Have you heard that many Democrats are
    so upset and disgusted with the Mayor and his progressive group that these
    Democrats are now calling themselves,

    "CLOSET REPUBLICANS"?

    THIS IS REALLY SAD FOR THE DEMOCRAT PARTY THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE PARTY FOR "THE PEOPLE" HERE IN FLOYD COUNTY.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:40 AM, January 11, 2006  

  • Yes, you DEMOCRATS have your hands full of a big mess here in New Albany.

    Our condolence and sympathy goes out to you.

    From: A PROUD REPUBLICAN!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:57 AM, January 11, 2006  

  • To the new albanian: Excuse me! You seem to know every one who blogs here. CT, Laura, oldernewalbanian,$$$$$, one voice, valla ann etc... Who you calling cowards? name one person besides my self that you don't know or haven't talked to. All these people have more guts than you will ever have because THEY DO KNOW YOU KNOW WHO THEY ARE ALONG WITH YOUR GOONS AND THE MAYOR! SO QUIT TRYING TO BULL---- PEOPLE IN BELIEVING YOUR C.R.A.P.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:41 AM, January 11, 2006  

  • People post here about how NA is in such bad shape, a real mess. Sewers, streets, sanitation, budgets, etc. Even if you believe that the current mayor can't hold his coffee cup correctly, he did not make ALL of the mess. Some of it took years. Yet people say the Democrats have always been the party for the people in Floyd County. For the most part, democrats have controlled NA and Floyd county for a long time. Sure is strange logic used here.

    By the way, I pull a democrat ballot in the primaries. I jut don't follow anyone or any party in lockstep.

    By Blogger Iamhoosier, at 11:47 AM, January 11, 2006  

  • It's really simple.

    I'm calling you a coward because you sign in as anonymous.

    I'm not calling anyone else a coward, just you and all those who have so much to say and so little integrity in saying it.

    See, very simple.

    By Blogger The New Albanian, at 11:56 AM, January 11, 2006  

  • NOON NEWS FLASH!

    IT IS REPORTED THAT PROTESTORS ARE LINED UP DUE TO THE ARRIVAL OF PRES
    BUSH IN LOUISVILLE.

    DO YOU THINK THAT THEY WILL CALL IN
    NEW ALBANY COUNCIL PRES GAHAN TO REMOVE THOSE PROTESTORS?

    YES SIR--- HE HAS A TOUGH GAVEL AND HE WILL GAVEL THEM DOWN.

    NO SIR-- WE DON'T WANT THE PEOPLE TO HAVE
    "FREEDOM OF SPEECH"

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:11 PM, January 11, 2006  

  • TO OLDERNEWALBANIAN, FIRST -- I have accomplished more in the past 30 years of my life than you will in your entire liftime, anonymously, or not. Your problem is I don't want any glory or notoriety for any civic work I do. This is where your "whatever faith you may have" does you a disservice. We, me and mine, were taught not to do it for the "glory of it all".

    Our names, faces, and works are public knowledge, and will soon come home to roost right where they should. I will call you the coward, because you are afraid to go after all the issues we have laid out here. Just like a durn man to get so angry over something he can't understand or wrap his hands around. Ahhhhhh. Cry me a river.

    TO IAMHOOSIER: You may want to check the party records and see exactly which one downtown is a Republican or Democrat. One thing I found to be interesting, during my learning curve, was England was once a Republican under Bob Real, when Real hired him in.

    Let me tell you something I witnessed the first night JAMES GARNER came in and served as City Councilman. I actually saw one of the leading Republicans in town, someone named Don Gibbons, hug James and tell him "I promised your Daddy I would take care of you". Who was sitting on who's lap at Council Thursday night? How many boards does Don now sit on? Hmmmmmm.

    As we've said before, you may want to watch out for those Republicans in Democratic clothing. Very few Republicans have the names to get elected in this "Democrat" town, and one of them that can is Sheriff Randy Hubbard. I know some Democrats, but not many, who do not support this man. The rest of us do because of his integrity, honesty, and hard work. We won't even get into his ethics, because I'm sure the meaning of that word would be lost on some of you.

    And, we just keep coming back to the issues. Glad you brought up the sewers, etc. Funny how Mayor Garner, when he first announced he was running, said "this election IS NOT GOING TO BE ABOUT SEWERS". Guess it wasn't James, but it SURE IS NOW, ISN'T IT? Why the cartoon on the blob about John and Doug?
    Rumour has it you all had a meeting; guess by that cartoon it didn't go well.

    Hah, and I am still proud to be a Democrat. There are always good and bad in both parties, just like a daggone barrell of apples. How do you know who has been trying to get the rotten ones out for the past so many years? Sure haven't seen your name, so save it for someone that doesn't know any better.

    Why don't you care your Council does not have their approved budgets sitting on their desk so they know what monies they are working with? The only logic that dictates here is so the Mayor can do exactly WHAT HE wants to do and bypass the legislative branch.

    Why don't you care about the sewers and the $44 million plan not working; the other millions spent; and the environment and people's homes being damaged?

    Hell, you're never going to answer any questions on here, just bad mouth anyone or anything you can. Guess it's getting lonely on those other two blobs with just the four or five of you going back and forth.

    Like I said before, Birds of a feather Flock together, -- we don't want to be part of your flock. Leave Us Alone.

    I sure hope the County Democrats are getting tired of this BS, because I know I'm looking to see which County officials are aligned with this Mayor we have, because he is a disgrace to our Party. I'm pretty sure a lot of Democrats are. Hope that answers your questions.

    NEWALBANIAN, I hope you remain the coward you are by attacking women and insinuating only "men" can do the job. Yeah, right, in your dreams. Divorced and riding a bicycle, you're a real "weiner", that must be what you and Tim have in common. Have another one, just for me, okay? Thank you. Have a good day, also. WE LOVE YOU.
    Our opinions, only.

    By Anonymous MAD AS HELL FC DEMOCRAT, AGAIN, at 12:58 PM, January 11, 2006  

  • To Mad as Hell fc Democrat: Are you sure your comment was directed at Oldernewalbanian or perhaps you meant to address it to Newalbanian ? I have no issue with service or with any political work. Hope you did not mean me as I have not addressed this issue and don't, nor did I ever wish glory or notority in any way. Not a man, very much a lady. Thanks

    By Blogger oldernewalbanian, at 1:24 PM, January 11, 2006  

  • Mad as hell fc democrat: I think you may have meant to address your remark to Newalbanian instead of Oldernewalbanian as I have not addressed anything about glory or notoriety about public service or political involvment. Also, I am not a man, but very much a lady. Just trying to understand. Enjoy reading your posts.

    By Blogger oldernewalbanian, at 1:27 PM, January 11, 2006  

  • YOU are right OLDERNEWALBANIAN. Please allow me to profusely apologize. To me, you are the perfect example of what is wrong with our town, and I would never, ever, mean you any disrespect.

    My comments were directed to NEWALBANIAN and IAMHOOSIER.

    Please allow me to apologize; geez, guess that makes me human after all. Thanks for correcting me.

    By Anonymous MAD FC DEMOCRAT, at 2:34 PM, January 11, 2006  

  • Mad fc democrat: No apology necessary - I could tell that was not directed toward me. Trust me, I truly understand the problems with no place to go for help.

    I just got put in my place over on NA Today blog from another one who is all wise and knowing. "Respect" is not a song, it is an attitude. I have learned more in the last three weeks from bloggng as to what NA is really made of than I did in all of the 30+ years I lived there. I truly had no idea of the hatefulness. This certainly does not include everyone some bloggers have been very supportive and I appreciate that very much. Thanks again.

    By Blogger oldernewalbanian, at 3:03 PM, January 11, 2006  

  • When our fingers start trying to move as fast as our minds, some things just go by "auto-pilot" and we make silly mistakes.
    Names (we know ya juz goofed), that turn I just missed, or even, "why am I in this room?"

    By Blogger East Ender, at 3:09 PM, January 11, 2006  

  • CITY COUNCIL PRESIDENT ELECTION ----

    WHY DID KOCHERT FOLLOW THE DIRECTION OF THE MAYOR AND VOTE FOR GAHAN FOR PRESIDENT?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:33 PM, January 11, 2006  

  • The Mayor is lucky to have Big Daddy
    Gibbons as his protector. Gibbons was
    one of the Mayor's first Board of Works appointments. Don't know what else the Mayor has appointed Gibbons to.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:43 PM, January 11, 2006  

  • because dan coffey is an idiot

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:48 PM, January 11, 2006  

  • to mad as hell fc Democrat-
    Most democrats I've known, like yourself, I've found to be quite plesant and in touch with the constituency.
    But this bunch that's running loose right now, I swear I saw one of 'em ride in on one big elephant.
    Your points have hit a home run!
    How can ANYONE think that New Albany is on any road towards progress when even our underbelly infrastructure is crumbling beneath us?
    We are literally losing the foundation, physically & fiscally, of our City and "some" people think we're just a bunch of nagging mal-contents.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 3:50 PM, January 11, 2006  

  • To MAHFCD.....

    Just exactly where in my post did I show support for the mayor? Just exactly where in my post did I say that I was satisfied with the sewers? Just exactly where in my post did I say anything about the council not having budgets in front of them? Just exactly where in my post did I badmouth anyone?

    Guess you are not going to be my friend. I can live with that. Friends like you I don't need. Below is your quote to oldernewalbian:

    "To me, you are the perfect example of what is wrong with our town,..."

    Not fair is it? I know what you meant. Her "situation" is what you refering to. It would unfair of me not to attempt to realize what you saying. It is not fair of you to try and put words in my mouth. I have been critical at times of all "sides" on these blogs.

    By Blogger Iamhoosier, at 4:25 PM, January 11, 2006  

  • TO IAMHOOSIER:

    Guess by the way you think I am blaming this Mayor for the sewer situation, when it HAS been going on for years.

    Maybe it is me. Maybe I am assuming you don't care about budgets, and various other issues we have speaking to on this blog.

    Yet, I haven't heard anything to the contrary, nor read on the other blogs, that being a major concern of yours. It is for some people. Yes, it has been going on for a looooonnnnnggggg time...you hit that nail on the head.

    If I offended you, I'm sorry. I gotta call it as I see it, maybe "feel" it.
    Thanks for caring enough to ask.

    By Anonymous MFCD, AGAIN, at 4:33 PM, January 11, 2006  

  • MFCD, again

    OK. You are correct. You have not seen much from me on the budgets and sewers. Only a fool would think that our sewer problems are fixed. Budgets are extremely complicated and past problems just make current ones worse. I know very little details about either issue so I just try to listen(read) and learn.

    I felt that I knew a little more about the sanitation situation and made my position clear. It was not a popular position over here. I made a reasoned decision. It was not made because the Mayor wanted it. I have never met the man. Well, maybe outside the polling place. Did not vote for him either.

    My basic premise is fairness. Not just what benefits me. No one or no party is always right. No one is always wrong. I do see SOME "little" minds over here. I do see SOME inflated egos over there. When I look in the mirror I see a little mind with an inflated ego. Fair enough?

    By Blogger Iamhoosier, at 4:57 PM, January 11, 2006  

  • I'm in awe. Arrogant, pompous and self-serving, all in one posting ... wow, MAHFCD, you're just brimming over with issues (and stroke symptoms).

    "NEWALBANIAN, I hope you remain the coward you are by attacking women and insinuating only "men" can do the job.

    Me thinks you are mistaken.

    Divorced and riding a bicycle, you're a real "weiner"

    Me thinks your comments are irrelevant.

    Have another one, just for me, okay?

    Me thinks I'll take you up on that one ... okay, boys and girls, $10 pints all around ...

    By Blogger The New Albanian, at 6:41 PM, January 11, 2006  

  • Fair enough. I appreciate your candor.

    None of us like sewers nor budgets, etc. We know we must get those issues put to be before NA can develop the way most want.
    Hope you can understand that what answers we want are public info; simply having people stand in front of the answers so they can't be acquired.

    There sure are a lot of tired people from more than a few years that have been keeping track of the monies better than our elected officials.

    Thank you for listening.

    By Anonymous MAHFCD, at 6:44 PM, January 11, 2006  

  • New Albanian:

    Sorry you don't think my comments are in touch with what ALL YOU HAVE POSTED SINCE THURSDAY NIGHT.

    I DO. And somehow, since what you do only simply to matter to you, guess what I do or write, shouldn't matter to you.

    Hope those $10 pints were good. Enjoy.

    My prior posting was back to IAMHOOSIER.

    By Anonymous MAHFCD, TO NEWALBANIAN, at 6:49 PM, January 11, 2006  

  • newalbanian-
    All you have done during this string of comments was to butt in every so often with some obscure question or remark that has nothing to do with the conversation.
    Why are you so unconcerned with the plight of New Albany? Is it because you are only concerned with your own business expanding, and anything else is just not worth any effort?
    Do you understand that unworkable sewers means no economic development for the City? Perhaps not, so long as your interest is working properly.
    Do you understand that millions in misappropriated money will make it impossible to make repairs?
    Do you care that there are code and ordinance violations all over the city that will prevent us from being any more desireable to other business investors?
    Apparently, you don't care about anything except trying to make folks look bad as they are trying to improve our community.
    Do us a favor, keep that beer in your hand so you can't type at the keyboard.
    You're nothing but a distraction.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 7:44 PM, January 11, 2006  

  • pax vobiscum

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:11 PM, January 11, 2006  

  • THANK YOU, LAURA.

    By Anonymous ANONYMOUSLY YOURS..., at 2:29 AM, January 12, 2006  

  • Mafcd,

    Geeze Louise, I believe that we just had a repectful discourse. Thank you for giving me the benefit of the doubt. We will probably disagree on some issues in the future but that is okay.

    By Blogger Iamhoosier, at 8:23 AM, January 12, 2006  

  • EE wrote, "Do us a favor, keep that beer in your hand so you can't type at the keyboard.
    You're nothing but a distraction."

    Thanks for the compliment; I know how hard it was for you to offer it.

    By Blogger The New Albanian, at 8:37 AM, January 12, 2006  

  • To IAMHOOSIER:

    Believe we did have a civil discourse; enjoyed it. There are so many ways one can interpret "thangs" or as we call it, it all may be tied simply to reading comprehension; which some people in town truly have a problem with.

    Thanks again for your candor. And I agree, I really don't care which party any elected official belongs to, as long as they are accountable for OUR monies.

    Take care. And, I agree with you that we will probably have reason to speak again.

    Have a good one.

    By Anonymous MAHFCD, at 11:47 AM, January 12, 2006  

  • Mahfcd,
    Being civilized appears to have killed the fun for everyone else. Guess You and I owe them an apology.(smile)

    By Blogger Iamhoosier, at 2:40 PM, January 12, 2006  

  • We want a hundred, we want a hundred.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:58 PM, January 12, 2006  

  • Nice to see some civil discourse taking place between people who DO care what is happening to this City.
    To mahfcd & iamhoosier;
    Glad to have you both participating in an exchange of ideas and facts.
    We have a long road ahead, and we will all need to come to a common ground to fix what's wrong.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 8:24 PM, January 12, 2006  

  • eat shit potty patrol

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:13 PM, January 12, 2006  

  • I did it!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:26 PM, January 12, 2006  

  • Nice mouth you got there #99.
    Why do you guys persist in being complete asses?

    By Blogger East Ender, at 1:32 AM, January 13, 2006  

  • This is how they always act, Laura. They seem to know no better, nor do they care how they are perceived or seen. Ground clutter, again.

    We truly enjoyed the comment on the VH blob about Mr. Smith checking on our precincts for SSO's. Precincts pretty much put the Potty Police rolling in the floor.

    Volunteer Hoosier, they are located in "mini-basins". We have a listing for citizens the City HAS TO CHECK everytime it rains, what more than an inch?

    Briefly, here goes...
    Main Plant
    Old Ford Rd Lift Station
    charlestown Rd Lift Station
    Grantline Rd Lift Station
    Budd Rd
    Broekers Lane
    Parks Dept on Corydon Pike (they're locked up after hours, like to see ya get in there)
    Six behind Hampton Inn
    3 at Cherry Valley Golf Course
    Alley off West St
    4 in Anderson Park
    4 others at Cherry Valley
    2 at Watco (locked out there, too)
    1 at VFW
    1 at Binford Park
    2 on the Country Club
    Elmwood Ave
    3 on Scott Dr
    1 on Brook St
    2 on Korb
    1 on Sanderson
    1 at McLean Lift Station
    1 at Linda Dr
    1 at Janie Lane
    1 at Audubon Easement
    1 at Roanoke
    1 at Charleston Rd @ Roselawn
    1 at Charlestown Rd by SocialSec.
    Another 1 on Roselawn
    1 at Charlestown Rd (27-90)
    1 at Charlestown Rd at Colonial
    1 at "Bottom Of Hill"? 28-2B
    1 at Old Ford at StarHaven
    1 at Old Ford at Miller
    2 at Mt Tabor
    4 at Prosser School
    1 at Charlestown Rd @ 265
    Did you look at all of those "precincts" for SSOs? Next time, holler, we'll help.
    Help us keep an eye out NA. Thanks.

    By Anonymous NA POTTY POLICE MEMBER, at 7:43 AM, January 13, 2006  

  • http://www.cnhi.com/newspapers/
    Has anyone ever checked the above site? Ever wonder why the 'Bune is so bad. We've been taken over by the Walmart of Newspapers.
    They don't even list New Albany anymore on their site.
    Truth Finder

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:19 AM, January 13, 2006  

  • go figure

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:09 AM, January 13, 2006  

  • Perhaps we need a real community based newspaper, if you go to the faceless corporate website that owns The Tribune www.cnhi.com you will see that on the Indiana map it doesnt even list The Tribune as New Albany; it is listed as Jeffersonville, Indiana.

    Appears to me that we no longer have a real local paper anymore. Beutiful thing about capitalism, when the local product or supplier fails to deliver competitors will arrive to fill the unmet needs, stay tuned fellow New Albanians

    By Blogger Tim Deatrick, at 11:32 AM, January 13, 2006  

  • "Here’s my take on the future of news delivery. We’re going to have a few people in each community that step forward (perhaps good names who were also top reporters left over from the newspaper implosion) and they will deliver news, in real time, via their own blogs."
    From: http://www.dansherman.com
    Dan Sherman's blog

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:40 AM, January 13, 2006  

  • You are on the wrong blob. You need to be on the "Bash the Bune" blob.

    Come back NA...it is ground clutter.

    By Anonymous ANONYMOUS, at 1:44 PM, January 13, 2006  

  • I just read that there is a tavern/bar
    being built in downtown New Albany at the Old New Albany INN. Isn't this the same building where the children go to take their music lessons?

    How smart is this idea to build a bar in the same building where our children are taking music lessons?

    Are there some regulations that you can not put bars, even with draft beer in the same building where young children are being taught?

    Is this guy putting in the bar the
    same guy who has to ride a bicycle?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:12 PM, January 13, 2006  

  • Your information is almost totally wrong. A new restaurant is opening where the House of Bread was. The former also served beer, etc. A 4 seat bar is being installed according to reports. My understanding is the restaurant will be somewhat upscale, perhaps similar to the Bristol in Louisville. Big difference from tavern under the common usage of the word.

    There is no guy who HAS to ride a bicycle. The person I think you are refering to rides because he likes to not because he HAS to. He is not the owner.

    By Blogger Iamhoosier, at 2:40 PM, January 13, 2006  

  • oh my god! not beer around children! I can just see them walking up with their violin case and ordering a tallboy! You are right, we need to watch out for the kids!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:52 PM, January 13, 2006  

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