Speak Out Loud NA

Friday, October 21, 2005

TIF EDUCATION:

Here is the solution, down and dirty, that Council came up with for funding the stormwater issue. It involves TIF areas. Most towns have only 1 or 2; we (of course) have 7 or 8.TIF stands for Tax Incremental Financing, which allows ALL property taxes in those areas to remain in those areas for capital improvement projects. Take the City of New Albany map, place 8 quarters on it, draw circles around them. This shows the amount of monies now NOT going into the General Fund. That is one big reason the General Fund is having so many problems; that and tax abatements. The County has issued only one tax abatement and that is to SHOTS in Georgetown. This City has about 17 pages worth of them; you can obtain a copy of same by going to the County Auditor's office and asking for a report of tax abatements broken by townships. Tax Advocates tried to warn Council members of this the impact to the General Fund, if you can step out of the box and look at the big picture. So when Council says there is no money in the General Fund, please remind them of their TIFS and ALL those tax abatements.The SWAC has until May, 2006 to start collecting monies for this project, without collecting the $25,000 fines you have read in your local Tribune today. You would think the SWAC can accomplish what they need to do in that timeframe, seeing they understand the process and some know things about the finances of this city.The bond monies owed are available in these TIF areas, alongwith millions more. The State St TIF doesn't have a bond anymore, just monies.The County has finished their Stormwater Ordinances and have started implementing them. They flow through the County Planning Commission. The hope would be that is the way this project will go, through the City's Planning Commission. This City really does not need another layer of government by forming a new 3 member Sanitary Board, chaired by the Mayor (what an additional expense).The ordinances created by a consulting firm for the county are now in the public domain and taxpayers own them outright. You would hope the SWAC simply duplicates them; with pertinent changes that would be applicable. The Council helped simplify things by coming up with the TIF monies being used, because now there are no problems with collections; just start writing the checks as needed. The Drainage and Stormwater projects are capital improvements and that is what the TIFs were designed for. If this City has to have them, let them use them to improve those areas without using more fees. Sidewalks and paving shouldn't cost millions, but maybe in this City they do.You can't be too sure with people saying the fight is still on, fun is just beginning, etc.. After the information you have read about how the financing and flow would work, do you find their remarks as irresponsible as, say, I may? TIF knowledge and understanding a major solution was found for all home and business owners was totally lost on some audience members; and maybe some Council members, who don't have the knowledge or history, either.Council, you can repeal some of those TIFS if your General Fund is in that bad of shape. And, Stormwater Funding can be used out of the TIFS. That's the moolah on that one. But let me stretch and say, "that's my opinion".

85 Comments:

  • Fifth sentence down where it is stated "ALL" property taxes; the correct phrasing should have been "ALL NEW" property taxes. And any hurdles needed to jump over to retrieve some monies from Redevelopment for this unfunded mandate will be necessary. Council checked with State Board of Accounts and Mr. Denny Stroud. Thank you for allowing the opportunity to amend the posting. Ya got a good thing going out here, Laura. Thank you, sincerely.

    By Anonymous TIF EDUCATION, at 9:31 PM, October 21, 2005  

  • Did you know that . . .

    95% of New Albany citizens polled after attending last night's city council meeting prefer 5 years of listening to David Huckleberry over 5 seconds of Randy Smith?

    The same group also reported that they would prefer a severe case of hemorrhoids over another of Randy Smith's speeches.

    By Anonymous Poll service, at 10:07 PM, October 21, 2005  

  • LOL, poll service. Too funny -- ain't it the truth?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:09 PM, October 21, 2005  

  • I truly thought TIF meant "take it fast" Jimmy you love to spend our hard earned tax dollars!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:15 PM, October 21, 2005  

  • We had never though of that one -- got bumper stickers? LOL

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:20 PM, October 21, 2005  

  • You never know maybe King James thru the brick! Hope he wore gloves. Like Randy red face said .. They can get finger prints off the brick! Maybe it was one of Scribner Place bricks?

    And that's only my opinion

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:20 PM, October 21, 2005  

  • Anonymous "Did you hear about the moron problem" in the halls last night? I never knew when your bald your whole head turns red?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:23 PM, October 21, 2005  

  • Mr Onevoice:
    It is only the forced circumstances of these harried times that force a qualification of this retort. you said it was an issue of monetary gain not avarice that motivates, specifically, Mayor garner, Did you consult a dictionary to recognize the difference or distance 'twixt and 'tween? Isn't avarica a likelt synonym for moentary greed? I only stress that as it becomes indicative of some latter dogmatism.

    By Blogger jon faith, at 10:24 PM, October 21, 2005  

  • With all of the vandalism in New Albany, no matter where you live...why is he special and it not be simple vandalism (maybe from the bar he is so close to); people been murdered down there...

    We've had automobiles up and down and throughout our neighborhood broken into with bricks, etc. We finally just leave them unlocked, so they won't break the windows, even though there's nothing in there, period.

    Vandalism is a petty crime and this issue must be to take our minds off others. Grin and bear it Mayor, like the rest of us have told you we are. If owner used his insurance for which he purchased it for, it didn't come out of the Mayor's pocket. It's just another smoke screen by an anonymous whatever. Take care, and please - we're worried about YOU throwing the bricks.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:26 PM, October 21, 2005  

  • THANK YOU, to Citizen Speaks for the
    lesson on TIF and tax abatement money that is not going in to the General Fund to help run the city.

    As a school supporter, I remember that the School System was worried about the large number of TIF Districts that were being set up by the City Redevelopment Board, and how that would drain money off the School System and the Library,too.

    There sure is a lot to be reviewed on City finances. THANK YOU.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:56 PM, October 21, 2005  

  • Anonymous

    I read on the Computer Tribune Page. They say there is no Tif $$$.
    What you think?
    C/J Reports Assessments wrong on property's in Indiana?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:56 PM, October 21, 2005  

  • I don't know much about the Stormwater
    Plan and the money needed for that program.

    It will be interesting to see which
    City Officials try to block the use of other funds to pay for the Stormwater
    Plan instead of placing the fee burden on us residents.

    It just seems like they always say,
    "Just raise the rates or fees."

    They don't even try to find other ways to pay for projects.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:03 PM, October 21, 2005  

  • THE SCRIBNER PROJECT SURE GOT THE
    MONEY THEY WANTED. THEY CARRIED SIGNS
    ON THE STREET IN FRONT OF COURT HOUSE.

    AFTER THEY GOT THEIR MONEY, THEY WANT TO PLACE FEES ON ALL OF US FOR NEEDED
    PROJECTS LIKE THE STORMWATER PLAN.

    ARE THEY SAYING THAT STORMWATER AND THE SANITATION DEPARTMENT CAN JUST
    GO "DOWN THE DRAIN"?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:08 PM, October 21, 2005  

  • Maybe Mr. Rosenbarger didn't have the financial info. He said the CDBG monies were pledged; he wasn't sure about TIF money being able to be used. Get the quote right, please. Council got copies of how much TIF money is available last night.

    Also, we still have 9 months before we start incurring those fines. They didn't take 9 MONTHS to plan Scribner; they didn't take 9 MONTHS for a sewer plan, and they are patching the roof on the fire house with duct tape and no way to turn the lights off, and so on it goes. Where would you like to stop? That's right, you can't. All you can do is state the wrong facts because you didn't have the correct information. Some people made sure they did. Read your newspaper again. Better yet, call up at the state, they work for you too, and WILL give you the info. We'll even provide the phone #.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:19 PM, October 21, 2005  

  • This thread is based on completely wrong info. TIF Districts don't take money from the General Fund at all. They create NEW funding that allows projects to proceed that otherwise couldn't happen. Tax INCREMENTAL Financing: A common economic development tool across the nation.

    Yet another New Albany 'conspiracy theory' based on basic misconceptions.

    Oh, and what happened to "no personal attacks"? Pretty catty stuff here about one of our fellow citizens...

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:11 AM, October 22, 2005  

  • Laura established long ago that her definition of "personal attack" is so biased and elastic that it means nothing. If you're with her, it's wisdom; against, and it's an "attack."

    So Laura, is it true that you're running for Mayor, or Grand Wizard, or something like that?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:30 AM, October 22, 2005  

  • fACTS ARE DIFFERENT THAN ATTACKS!

    Were dealing with real Issues..So cut the crap. Were going to continue giving facts and facing the real problems with New Albany.
    Do not try to distract us. We are not longer going to do battle over non-issues.....Right Laura!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:34 AM, October 22, 2005  

  • using TIF for the stormwater mandate wont work no matter what your obe Wan Kenobe CM Schmidt thinks. He is just grandstanding because he wants to attack Garner and position Valla or Laura for Mayor.

    Get real little people, every progressive city in Indiana has established the stormater program as a user fee based utility so will this one despite the lunacy of your gang of four obstructionists councilmen and your pupppet advisory committee memebers King and Kersey.

    Sorry guys but you will lose the debate

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:55 AM, October 22, 2005  

  • Repeating of an earlier question.

    WHY has no one in the Administration even tried to find funding for the Stormwater Plan before dumping fees on
    the taxpayers??

    I think CM Schmidt only asked President Gayhan to appoint a committee to check on the possibility of using TIF funds for Stormwater.

    Has President Gahan appointed that
    committee and if so, who is on that
    committee?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:15 AM, October 22, 2005  

  • The Mayor and the Progressives shuld not get so shook up at the idea of just checking on the possibility of
    using TIF funds for Stormwater.

    As I heard at the meeting, the Redevelpment Board controls the TIF money. Mayor Garner appoints 3 out of the 5 members on that Board.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:21 AM, October 22, 2005  

  • Gahan doesnt need to appoint a council committee to study the TIF option, which is a non-option. The stormwater advisory committee exits to study those options. If Scmidt wants to present those ideas he has plenty of opportunity to do before the stormwater advisory committee rather than bring it up at the 11th hour at a council mtg

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:23 AM, October 22, 2005  

  • They keep preaching about a Stormwater mandate and pressure to get the funding. The Mayor and the Sewer Board must have known this since they took over in January 2004.

    Why now all of a sudden aare they pushing this fee on us? They had
    plenty of time to get this on the tax rolls to be more fair to all.

    Where have they been?

    Have they been too busy pushing Scribner Place.?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:34 AM, October 22, 2005  

  • Just keep telling them to call the State; they have a rep about the Storm Water and they have a State Board of Accounts to say whether the $ in TIF can be used. Like we said, just ask for the phone numbers. There's a toll free phone number for any listing in state government in your phone book. The state provides a good service in helping you get in touch with whom you want to talk to. They realize they work for you, too. Issues, Issues, Issues...

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:37 PM, October 22, 2005  

  • Courier Journal-- October 22, 2005

    "FLOYD KNOBS HOUSING UPHELD"
    Greg Fifer, attorney for Theinaman
    Developers in Floyd Knobs, "says he is confident of the plans".

    An earlier post on the blog said that Attorney Greg Fifer is also the paid attorney for the New Albany Sewer Board. The Sewer Board has been pushing for the new sewer line to be built to carry sewage from Floyd Knobs in to New Albany plant.

    Is it a conflict for Fifer to be the
    attorney for Floyd Knobs developers and also, be the paid attroney for the New Albnay Sewer Board?

    The Sewer Board approved the sewer lines to Floyd Knobs, and now---
    The Sewer Board says, We have to
    repair the old sewer lines in the city of New Albany and they have no money.

    Were they not aware that New Albany
    sewer lines were shot and broken
    before they pushed the new line to
    Floyd Knobs?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:51 PM, October 22, 2005  

  • Good question. What other Floyd Knobs Developers does our paid New Albany Sewer Board Attorney represent?

    Is that a conflict of interest if it deals with sewer lines?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:02 PM, October 22, 2005  

  • Yes, but they acted in bad faith by representing to the EPA this new plan we just spent millions on would work, while citizens who knew the citizens said it was simply an expansion to do exactly what you just stated. They maintained the inner city would be fixed with maintenance. The only problem is, the sewer maintenance money, which is EDIT $ the Council ordered put into the fund to do this thing was mistakenly spent on bonds, $540,000.00. It took me 3 months to get a response back from the City, and when I asked the Mayor how he could pay that money back, he shrugged. They were told they HAD TO TAKE THE I/I out of our lines; which you would assume would be the old lines that needed fixing. They passed laws that said all laterals needed to be checked when a house sold; grease trap inspection laws; all kinds of stuff they have just stopped doing. THE CONSENT DECREE stated they had to have flow monitors in the lines before work started and then the flow monitors afterwards to prove the reduction in I/I. We watched them buy them, recalibrate them at a pretty price; then someone new comes in and sells them. We kept trying to tell them, but it fell on deaf ears. It doesn't seem to matter, and that's the most frustrating part.

    Glad a couple of people wrote comments on that Consent Decree that will prove the City went into this legal agreement with bad faith. (Like locations where all the problems are.) See, they also left the Robert E Lift Station out and Corydon Pike out and that's where Fifer's new line with Ruckman from LaFollette is coming in and now they have to get that work done. That's okay, citizens told EPA up front that had to be done. But as we were told at that time, "the EPA didn't say HOW we have to fix it, they just said we have to fix it". All that means to me is someone is trying to warp the law around somehow, though it never made sense to us. They were tied up and a bow wrapped around it when the 2nd Consent Decree was signed, that's how knowledgeable some taxpayers had become. We were assured this time there would be no fines, someone would go to jail. Do you believe that will happen, or are we protected because this time taxpayers proved it wasn't our FAULT this time.

    I guess some people just didn't see the fear on someone else's face when they were Mayor about going to jail, but we saw it. That's why we spent hundreds of thousands on that lawyer who wrote the Clean Water Act, trying to break the Clean Water Act. Gosh, it's vicious, isn't it.
    Try to wrap your mind around that one.
    And, another thing I don't understand. They think citizens call the EPA all the time, which we don't. But as the EPA says, they can talk to the citizens all day long, they just can't talk with Council (which really frustrates them) or the Mayor, without lawyers present. Why would it bother them even if we did? This involves the US Justice Department, and I don't see why they would even think we could, if we wanted to, without proof, do anything. It's amazing how they deflect. But, yes, you are right. Fifer is definitely in a MAJOR CONFLICT of INTEREST. Thanks for asking, and sorry I may have overloaded you on information.
    But, as they say, "that's my opinion". Thanks for asking.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:15 PM, October 22, 2005  

  • There's a list of all of those developers he's working on around somewhere; writing up contracts with them and then serving our interests on the sewer board by presenting and advising the board on them. I feel the board is getting bad legal advice, but they really do not see it that way. And, I also feel Fifer has some major problems, which would fall under the Indiana Supreme Court, the Disciplinary Commission's rulings. That's the contact for that one, citizens. Take note. That's my opinion for the day. Thanks for letting me have one, Laura.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:32 PM, October 22, 2005  

  • On 12/13/03, the Tribune published an article showing some of his representations, besides Ruckman and Thieneman. They were:

    Robert Lynn
    David Blankenbaker and
    Kent Witten.
    This article is about the Bittersweet subdivision in Lanesville and the Town Council denying use of their town's municipal sewage system. If I'm not mistaken, I think he turned around and sued them too. Just my opinion.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:54 PM, October 22, 2005  

  • To 11:23 Anonymous today: Which part of the Council or public or administration can figure out the numbers? Councilman Schmidt got those figures after alot of work with the State, not the City. I find it so irresponsible to not look for other ways of funding. We have tried to before, and were told by Chad McCormick "it's not his fault we can't get our books open". Doesn't that say it all? But, go ahead, this time taxpayers are aware. TAX, FEES, TAX, FEES, TAX, FEES. Let me tell you what I want: your take home cars, seeing you are not following the Federal law and IRS laws about using them and keeping logs; I want some of the unnecessary cell phones; I want the cuts to start AT THE TOP (because I believe you lead by expample); I want my government to respond to citizens' needs rather than ripping them to shreds and taking sides with their political cronies. Guess I just want or expect too much, huh? Too bad.
    That's OUR opinion.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:05 PM, October 22, 2005  

  • Why should middle class citizens of New Albany pay the same fee as Walmart? Is that fair? Hell no it isn't fair. So if my family lives in a 1800 sq.ft. home. And I am charged $7.00 monthly fee. Then when Walmart get's their bill then they have to pay $7.00 fee does that really make sense? Or is that fair? What about all the many people in City and County who have never paid a sewer Bill? But also use the sewer lines. Their is raw sewage running off Silver Hills as we talk! Were talkin raw sewage folks! Is anyone ever going to fix Silver Hills road? And how much will that cost us? We spent Millions of dollars on our sewer system and were still having problems!!! Now we hear the sewer bills is more than likely going up.
    This Mayor does not seem to be on top of things at all.

    By Anonymous GARY WEBB, at 3:41 PM, October 22, 2005  

  • gary webb, you are so right.

    You may not know, but, the Mayor is the paid chairman of the Sewer Board.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:02 PM, October 22, 2005  

  • And you know, if you charged Walmart ten times that amount, they would barely even notice. They just send the bill to Fayetteville and they send a check.

    You HAVE to have high fees for business, much higher fees for larger businesses, and lower fees for residential users, even lower fees for smaller users and almost nothing for low incomes.

    It's only fair.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:28 PM, October 22, 2005  

  • They are using what I think I heard was a 2500 square feet "standard" to figure residential's stormwater fees. It's not fair to me because my house does not have a driveway like my neighbors. My only impervious surfaces are my rooftop and sidewalk. How many people in New Albany do you think has a 2500 square foot house; especially the working poor and middleclass? They are counting on the residential fees, because they know there are so many houses in NA, rather than business. Still say if the Council can come up with the monies, let 'em do it. And, if you can use TIF for sewers, you can use it for stormwater and drainage (it's just more infrastructure improvements). And where are most of your commercial and industrial areas that need the work -- in the TIF areas. So, I'm not going to listen to that argument. Already talked to State myself. But, that is just my "opinion".

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:51 PM, October 22, 2005  

  • If I recieve another phone call today about the FDR dinner for the Democrats this thursday. I swear I will switch parties....
    Do they not realize the discontent of the people of New Albany.
    If they truly believe myself and others are not upset lets just see who shows up.
    Oh yes,since Roger will be wearing his press cap believe me we will hear who was there. But take some advice Roger Dodger we do tend to get alittle drunk at this type of function. And believe me several Democrats think your...well...

    But,again that's my opinion

    By Anonymous FED UP DEMOCRAT, at 6:06 PM, October 22, 2005  

  • drunk and stupid, have another miller lite maybe you will start to understand sewer issues a little better

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:48 PM, October 22, 2005  

  • WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO HIDE?

    Question: Why won't the Mayor give us the real answers?

    1. When will the City Council tapes be broadcast on WNAS? And why were they removed in the first place?

    2. The Sewer Board discussed the cost to bring Sewer Bill collections back to New Albany, and the cost for additional equipment,software,and additional staff? Is this what they truly want the $800,000 for?

    3. Why is the Mayor and the Sewer Board pushing to put a new $3.00 fee on us under the STORMWATER PROGRAM if they really want the money for the collection of sewer bills?

    4. Why don't they be honest with the public and say what they really want the $800,000 for?

    5.Why should I have to pay the new monthly $3.00 fee when they don't have a way to bill the owners of vacant property?

    6. Will this unfair billing of the $3.00 fee open the City up to a NEW LAWSUITS if they bill some property owners and let others go free?

    7.Why doesn't the Sewer Staff in the Mayor's Office concentrate on the collection of "DELINQUENT SEWER AND GARBAGE BILLS" instead of putting a new fee on us who pay our bill?

    8. It has been repeated that the new Stormwater Fee would be more fair and equitable if they placed this fee on the property tax billing. Why won't the Mayor and the Sewer Board agree to this method?

    9. If the Stormwater Project is so urgent, then, where have the Mayor and Sewer Board been for the last 2 years? If they knew a Stormwater Plan had to be done, they had plenty of time to put it on the property tax bills?

    10 Most people won't even know about this new monthly fee until it appears on the bill. Why hasn't there been more information in the newspapers about the new fee?

    11. If this new fee was placed on the ballot, do you think it would be approved?

    12. Could someone guide the Voters of New Albany on how to get a Referendom on the Ballot?

    Sewer Board minutes of 9/20/2005 for discussion about the cost of bring the Sewer Billing back to New Albany with more equipment new billing software, and more staff. Click on Sewer Board under City of New Albany.

    Again I ask the Question: Why won't the Mayor give us the real answers?

    "AND WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO HIDE"


    Concern Citizen

    By Anonymous CONCERN CITIZEN, at 7:07 PM, October 22, 2005  

  • this fee isnt subject to a referendum, get over it and be responsible for the environment youre ok with a big hike to keep sanitaion right

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:15 PM, October 22, 2005  

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    By Blogger One voice, at 7:36 PM, October 22, 2005  

  • Anonymous

    Sir did you even read the question?

    Where do you read fee into Referendum?

    12. Could someone guide the Voters of New Albany on how to get a Referendum on the Ballot?

    Apparently you don't seem to know what your speaking about! Let alone know the answer to my question Sir.


    Concern Citizen

    By Anonymous CONCERN CITIZEN, at 7:49 PM, October 22, 2005  

  • Great Comment Fed Up Democrat: Gosh knows, I feel the same way. Won't they feel straaange when the real Democrats who stand for the party and it's citizens DON'T show up. He should concentrate his article on all of the Democrats WHO DO NOT SHOW UP, rather than who DOES. AMEN... Couldn't have said it better, becos I am truly a concerned DEMOCRAT...and PROUD OF IT!!! Thank you, but that's just "my opinion"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    By Anonymous ANOTHER CONCERNED DEMOCRAT, at 4:26 AM, October 23, 2005  

  • Think about a different way folks... instead of the "Gang of Four"... who's on the sewer board & the Council? CM's Seabrook and Kochert.
    Who's on Redevelopment? CM's Coffey & Messer, Mayor appoints 3 of the five? The other is Eddie Hancock. John Rosenbarger, the City PLANNER Chairs the Redevelopment Commission as well.
    Randy Smith's scurry straight down the hall, to the Mayor's office after Council Thursday, is the final telling.
    Trust my 'instincts' for a moment and guess they WILL find a reason this BETTER Plan of putting Stormwater Management and Costs in the Planning Department, like others are, and paying it out of TIF dollars will NOT work.
    But, I'm just guessing.
    Maybe they really DO work for us, and have the best interests of the citizens at heart. We'll just have to wait and see what rabbit they pull out of the hat next. I guess.
    Did anyone catch any info on Gahan's answer to the committee request by CM Schmidt to look into the options on TIF $$$? Did he give an answer? I left before it was all over, so I don't know. Anyone?
    Well, I'm off to find a new Republicrat Hat to wear in honor of the forthcoming events.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 9:18 AM, October 23, 2005  

  • East Ender--- I was at the Council meeting and heard Councilman Schmidt ask President Gayhan to appoint a committee to look into the POSSIBILITIES of using TIF funds to
    fund the first $200,000 of the Stormwater Plan. Has Pres Gayhan
    appointed that committee ?

    Is it true that John Rosenbarger controls the TIF money ? Is he protecting the TIF money so they can use it for SCRIBNER Place only?

    Why are they so reluctant to even look at other sources of money rather than placing another fee on us?

    Thank you, Mr. Schmidt, for having the courage to try to find other ways to pay for the Stormwater before they hit us with another fee.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:23 AM, October 23, 2005  

  • Laura

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    By Anonymous ELKS LODGE MEMBERS, at 11:03 AM, October 23, 2005  

  • Laura

    First timer on your blog. Sorry about the typo. We read your Blog often. Your a hit at the Elks Lodge.

    God Bless you Speak Out Loud NA

    Ricke Meyer needs all of our help!

    By Anonymous ELKS LODGE MEMBERS, at 11:12 AM, October 23, 2005  

  • TIF is not an option, despite what your guru Bill Schmidt, of course he never has bad information does he?

    The designation of TIF funds must go through a formal planning process and public hearings, how much time do you think we have to get the stormwater plan up and running? Despite what councilman "Obstructionist" Coffey says we dont have IDEM's blessings to delay, if he thinks we do then tell him to write a letter and find out.

    All you are doing with your irresponsible blog and your desires to use this issue as a wedge issue for somebody's campaign for mayor is to lead New Albany on the path to $25,000 a day fines, so keep blogging speakoutstupid and keep thinking Bill Schmidt is your hero

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:43 PM, October 23, 2005  

  • Thanks a lot, Tim. Now, would you please go away? Permanently?

    By Anonymous oh, brother, at 2:48 PM, October 23, 2005  

  • Time to drive to Bank St. Louisville for a beer run. If he's coming back on the blog to do some more sermons on what we need in New Albany? These problems go way back to Bob Real. Warren Nash, Doug England, that nut women Mayor Overton. Hell everybody knows she messed up big time. Buying all those expensive trucks. Made us stop using our own trash cans. And fighting with the police,fire dept, anybody who didn't agree with her. Now we got olde Doc Garners son. Supposely a big shot in this town. And look at us now. How much more damage can this guy do! We got to keep putting up with this crap. At this point were all gonna have to move out..Our money is limited. And we can not continue to pay for all these extra charges on everything..

    By Anonymous FRED THE HOMEOWNER, at 5:19 PM, October 23, 2005  

  • Thank you. Couldn't have said it better myself. Have a great day.

    By Anonymous $$$$$$$$$$$, at 6:25 PM, October 23, 2005  

  • Redevelopment Commission:

    Dr. Irving Joshua, Bill Chilton, Eddie Hancock, plus the Councilmen Coffey and Messer.

    Rosenbarger is just the part-time staff.

    Again, where's the conspiracy?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:58 PM, October 23, 2005  

  • Conspiracy? It's called POLITICAL/NONQUALIFIED PATRONAGE.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:49 PM, October 23, 2005  

  • Fred you said it very well. When are we finally going to have a Mayor who is going to help New Albany, rather than hurt it? Is there anyone out there who does not have an ego so big they can't work with the City Council; and just wants the title Mayor and all of the perks they can get their hands on?

    If such a person exists, please step forward. You will have more support than you ever imagined. People of all sizes will come out for someone who truly cares for our ciy.

    Just my opinion.

    By Blogger shirley baird, at 1:08 PM, October 24, 2005  

  • FYI - Stormwater Advisory Committee meeting tonight - 6:15, City County Bldg. Urge public to try and attend. At the last meeting, no public attended; only Council members. Thanks.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:26 PM, October 24, 2005  

  • Thanks for the heads up on the Stormwater Advisory meeting tonight. Interested public should try to attend. Are questions allowed from the public during the meeting?
    Also, just want to say thanks to the folks at the Elks Lodge friends. Thanks for the comments. Our best wishes go out to Ricke Meyer and your efforts to help.
    Finally a note: John Rosenbarger is more than part time staff for Redevelopment. He is the Director.
    He is also the Planning Commission Director. He's a pretty good guy in my opinion, but he's spread a little too thin.
    Hope he truly does have the best interest of New Albany at the forefront of his decisions, but he is a 20+ year employee of the City who I'm sure, wants to keep his job, and his boss is the Mayor.
    I guess we'll see how it goes. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 4:51 PM, October 24, 2005  

  • Too many of the same people sitting on various appointed boards. And these same people also sit on the City Council. And that to me is a complete conflict of interest. So then I ask who is really looking out for us the taxpayer?

    The Mayor?
    My Council Member?
    Or who...

    By Anonymous BARBARA WHITE, at 7:40 PM, October 24, 2005  

  • Barbara, we can't figure it out, either. We have been encountering these so-called "conflicts of interest" for several, several years. Council maintains they don't have any ethical laws; though I know either Jeff or Clark adopted same; State maintains there are ethic laws protecting us on the book. Just haven't had the time to research. It's maddening. Thanks for asking, though. Just my opinion.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:17 PM, October 24, 2005  

  • Shirley, To me, it's all about greed. If there exists such a person, who doesn't really need the money as much as they care about their town; we'll have a hope. Still looking for the non-agenda people. We still have time!! Hang in there. (But that's just my opinion.)

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:20 PM, October 24, 2005  

  • MORE TIF EDUCATION:

    This information comes from Bakers & Daniels, a law firm from Indy representing Indiana Cities & Towns, which act as advisory commitees to our elected officials. Only certain ones of our elected officials even go to these meetings to get copies of various laws, or to let the people know what the State laws pending are. Knowledge is power.

    Anytways, here goes the second part of the TIF LESSON:

    Projects that may be Funded:

    Generally, bonds payable from TIF may be used to finance the cost of redevelopment and the construction of public improvements in the redevelopment area or projects that directly serve or benefit that area. For example, the proceeds of TIF bonds may be used for property acquisition and redevelopment activities including the construction of "local public improvements," SUCH AS PUBLIC WAYS, SIDEWALKS, SEWERS (which include Drainage and Stormwater), WATERLINES, PARKING FACILITIES AND PARK OR RECREATIONAL TAXES. Bakers & Daniels offices are in Indy; sure they're in the book.

    These are figures gathered from Redevelopment about TIF DISTRICTS - SEPTEMBER 2005
    1 TIF
    Grantline Rd BALANCE ON HAND $832,894. Bond payments: 9/05 $107,543; 3/06 $36,563; 9/06 $131,563; 3/07 $33,475; 9/07 $133,475; 3/08 $30,225; 9/08 $140,225. TOTAL OF PAYMENTS $613,069. BALANCE: $249,825.00
    2 TIFS
    Park East BALANCE ON HAND $1,480,208.00; Bond payments 02/06 $161,037.00;8/06 $26,812; 2/07 $171,812; 8/07 $22,100; 2/08 $177,100; 8/08 $17,062. TOTAL OF PAYMENTS $575,923. BALANCE ON HAND $904,285.00.
    3rd TIF
    State Streeet BALANCE ON HAND $1,004,208.00; No BOND PAYMENTS. BALANCE AVAILABLE $1,004,208.00.
    4th TIF
    Charlestown Road (Anticipation Note) BALANCE ON HAND: $820,4790. Bond Payments -- Current interest payments only -- 10/05 $32,500.00

    It's alot of stuff, but it's realllll important so certain people can understand more where our monies are... Thanks, remember, IT'S JUST ZEROS! Have a good day, New Albany!

    P.S. Did you see in the CJ where the State of IN has now decided to take our property tax replacement credits. The acronoym it's coming in under is "your" PTRC. It's getting bad, folks. Counties are already hollering how they've had the rug pulled out from under them; remember our county trying to soften those new tax re-assessments? Well, get ready. That's why, I know to some people - man it's just this, and it's just that. But some of us aren't buying it. Not when you're telling us you now need to get rid of 6 to 8 people that are being paid out of Sewers that shouldn't have been. Noooooooooo, the first time shame on you; the second time shame on me.

    By Anonymous $$$$$$$$$$$$$, at 2:43 PM, October 25, 2005  

  • time to dump sanitation it cant be saved

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:47 PM, October 25, 2005  

  • and you don't now what you are talking about, little one. Guess you are worried about what is getting ready to come out,hey? Hang in there. some people do make sure they get the financial info (eventually) to make the case. Just ask the police and firemen who found their financials. See you in the funny papers.

    By Anonymous $$$$$$$$$$$, at 7:07 PM, October 25, 2005  

  • $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    I got a real feeling alot of Financials will be coming out shortly.
    I personally love Charlie Brown...

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:45 PM, October 25, 2005  

  • and what are you going to do keep supporting sanitation with sewer money? A certain city councilman may have something to say about that

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:22 PM, October 25, 2005  

  • Please, patience. YOU WILL BE GETTING THE FINANCIALS. For whomever, you may just be surprised who tells you. Please don't sell the Council short. YOU voted for them; work WITH them; help EDUCATE them. Patience is a virtue. And tolerance. What a mouthful. Anyways, I love Charlie Brown, too. Poor Linus.

    By Anonymous $$$$$$$$$$$$$, at 10:10 PM, October 25, 2005  

  • TIF wont work

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:23 PM, October 25, 2005  

  • QUESTION: Why is it that anytime someone comes up with a suggestion to help in the City financial problems,
    the current City Administration always
    says, "NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT."

    They are all so trained or programed
    to keep repeating:
    "IT WON'T WORK."
    "YOU CAN'T DO THAT."
    "YOU CAN'T USE THOSE FUNDS."
    " IT WON'T WORK."

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:16 PM, October 25, 2005  

  • Real NA Slush Fund!


    That's my opinion

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:27 PM, October 25, 2005  

  • Question: How can we find out the total of some of the fees that they already are collecting from us taxpayers? What are they doing with that money?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:32 PM, October 25, 2005  

  • If you have a complaint against Fifer, file it with this form:

    http://www.in.gov/judiciary/
    agencies/Grform.pdf

    Otherwise can it!

    By Anonymous idle threats, at 1:00 AM, October 26, 2005  

  • They are all so trained or programed
    to keep repeating:
    "IT WON'T WORK."
    "YOU CAN'T DO THAT."
    "YOU CAN'T USE THOSE FUNDS."
    " IT WON'T WORK."

    Are you talking about trogs opposed to Scribner Place?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:01 AM, October 26, 2005  

  • Demand an accounting from your Council; they CONTROL the purse strings. You will find they have not been provided with recent financials; and sewer board didn't receive theirs for months. Various exuses abound, from "new" software problems (bought a couple of years ago), etc.... It's all going to come out in the wash soon, about our little "slush" fund called the "sewers" they are now trying to make taxpayers pay for mismanagement again. Garner has had almost 3 years to get these books in order; I'd give the Conroller about six months to grasp what has happened -- but this is ridiculous. That's why this information will be released publicly. We're tired of playing "footsies" with our money. Thanks for asking.

    By Anonymous $$$$$$$$$, at 1:02 AM, October 26, 2005  

  • yea we know. The Indiana Supreme Court, the Disciplinary Commission but, thanks anyway.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:03 AM, October 26, 2005  

  • Sanitation can and should be saved. It is improper to say the Sewer Fund has been "propping up" the sanitation dept. when it was intentionally set up that way.
    When a previous administration closed the Sewer office in the CC Bldg. and sent sewer & sanitation billing to Indiana American, the city failed to properly set up the seperation and maintenance of 2 distinct funds (sewers & sanitation) which led to the sanitation dept. having no real 'budget'. Monies came into the sewer fund (remember 32 bank accounts!) that were actually owed to sanitation. However, the sewer fund, with all that money, soon became the favorite slush fund, and they neglected to put proper funds into sanitation.
    There have been no delinquent fees recovered for sanitation since 2002!!! When an account was paid late, all the money stayed in sewers. Again, they were robbing Peter (sanitation) to pay Paul (sewers).
    Sanitation was NOT being
    "propped up" by the sewer fund, it was being financed through the sewer fund due to billing methods.
    Now that they need more money for sewage works, they are screaming about no longer "subsidizing" sanitation because it is such a huge drain on the funds.
    I want someone to explain to me how on earth sanitation went from being $26K in the black in 1998, to almost $200K in the red in 1999.
    In 2000 it went to a $300K deficit!
    Finally, according to the numbers given by the administration this year, last year's deficit was more than $925K. HOW????
    Again, this all falls back to poor management. People should not lose their jobs due to poor management. Management should lose their jobs!
    The sewage fund would be in better shape if they had been diligent in the past, or even now, about collecting delinquent accounts.
    Sanitation would be better off if the money had been distributed correctly.
    Now, they want to privatize sanitation, and will raise sewer fees, so that those of us who do pay our bills will be 'propping up' the sewer fund for not collecting on past due accounts.
    There will be more detailed info on these matters coming soon as we conduct our own inquiry into the numbers.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 1:39 AM, October 26, 2005  

  • I should note, that the above statement is only my personal opinion, of course.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 1:40 AM, October 26, 2005  

  • Your right Laura. In the next couple of weeks there will be alot of interesting information coming out. The mistakes that were made. Who is and isn't doing their job. And what this Adminstration is hiding and not wanting Citizens and taxpayers to know. Mayor Jimmy and others have had almost 2 years to clean this mess up. Now it's time for the Citizens to come forward and put out the truth. The gloves will be coming off. And we will truly see who is left standing when the smoke clears. Based on the facts of the matter most people will not be happy with what is going to surface. But there comes a time when enough is enough. We can not continue getting hit with fees, people need to be held accountiable for spending and wasteing taxpayers money. When some elected officials are sitting on their ass making a killing off the taxpayers. The spending is totally out of control.
    There will be hard questions ask, information to inform us all. Hang on folks this is going to really get interesting.....

    this is my opinion

    Concern Taxpayer

    By Anonymous CONCERN TAXPAYER, at 7:31 AM, October 26, 2005  

  • I cannot wait for the numbers to come out for everyone to see. We have been jerked around for far too long now.

    If the people in the Administration are incapable of doing their jobs they need to be replaced. It is so frustrating to go to the City Council meetings only to hear reasonable questions asked. And responses given like, I don't know and don't blame me. Well, who else are we to blame but the people in office and their staff?

    The information will be forthcoming. And all I can say is, buckle up, it's going to be a bumpy ride.

    Thank you, Laura, CT and $$$$$$$$ for all of your hard work. Keep it coming.

    My own opinion, of course.

    By Blogger shirley baird, at 9:00 AM, October 26, 2005  

  • WAIT EAST ENDER--

    As big bill Schmidt explained the debt for sanitation was really only about 35,000----no problem. The numbers were just skewed by the administration--surely an easy fix.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:24 AM, October 26, 2005  

  • Special Storm Water Commitee meeting called for ALL Councilmembers for 3:00 Friday in the Assembly Room. We asked if the committee members were invited; said it's an open meeting; but unfortunately, MOST of these people work and can't attend. Need some public there. Thanks!

    By Anonymous Yvonne, at 11:29 AM, October 26, 2005  

  • Concerning the Mayor's Council meeting that's on friday at 3:00.

    My Question:

    1. Will the Mayor pull the strings on his puppets to get what he wants?

    2. Did he even invite the Storm Water Advisory group?

    3. What kind of fee does the Mayor
    want to place on us now the Taxpayers?


    That's my opinion

    Concern Taxpayer

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:52 PM, October 26, 2005  

  • Don't know. This has made me extremely leery (as if I could get any more) of this Mayor's intent. NO, no Storm Water Commitee members have been told; the only way I found out was through the press. Why couldn't he face the public at Thursday night's meeting? How many of the Council members have to work and can't make it? How many of the Storm Water Committee work and can't make it?
    We have eight (8) people's salary coming out of Sewers. They HAVE TO GET THESE people's salaries OUT OF SEWERS. The only problem is, they knew they were there during the 05 and 06 budget hearings. Kochert called it out; Gahan said Kochert was nickle and diming. These people were put in this sewer "slush" fund so the GENERAL FUND didn't reflect them; deliberately and intentionally done. The Controller's office employees; Street Department employee; I have alot more to add -- been biding my time. Will have more later. Good luck Taxpayers. This should infuriate ANY taxpayer; unless of course you have plenty of monies and not worried about a whole lot of anything.
    As our family says, we feel the Mayor is mad because he found out he's not going to be able to head that three member board; he's upset Council found another remedy for the interim fee until the Committee can get it on the tax rolls so it is fair to all people in the ENTIRE city; and I feel that C.R.A.P. article may have PUSHED him over the limits. The Mayor is down to one James the Cleaner (in debt) business. NO, We do not trust his business decisions at this time. But, THAT'S OUR OPINION. Hang in there taxpayers...more to come.

    By Anonymous $$$$$$$$$$$$$, at 1:44 PM, October 26, 2005  

  • P.S. Probably the most important aspect of this meeting is: HOW MANY TAXPAYERS WORK AND CAN'T MAKE IT??????? IT's B.S.

    But, that's my opinion.

    By Anonymous $$$$$$$$$$$$, at 1:46 PM, October 26, 2005  

  • call all retirees.....HELP

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:50 PM, October 26, 2005  

  • yeah, the Mayor is the one working 24-7. Council is part-time. I agree this is BS*****!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:52 PM, October 26, 2005  

  • Taxpayers and citizens need to be aware the only way this could come back to the table is if one of those two councilmembers who abstained, have changed their vote and bring it back. Now, there were only 2 abstains, Crump and Blevins. The grapevine says Crump can't make the meeting, who does that tell you which vote changed. And so on and on the saga goes, rite? Only a poor New Albanian's opinion. Have a good day NA.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:17 PM, October 26, 2005  

  • I understand the city got a TORK notice in Nov.04 , can some one answer what ever happen with that or if they know if anything will come of that?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:14 PM, October 26, 2005  

  • u mean a "tort" notice? about what?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:43 PM, October 26, 2005  

  • Like Peter Tork of the MOnkees?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:08 PM, October 27, 2005  

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