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Monday, June 20, 2005

The Weather & Other Observations

Hope everyone had an enjoyable weekend!
What beautiful weather we're having. It's a shame the climate of sentiments in this town can't match the climate outside. Anyone who is paying attention is either confounded at the audacity, or is mad as hell that the ignorant masses won't shut up and go away.
There is a considerable, and almost palpable, amount of bitterness that surrounds the people and the political administration in New Albany. The YMCA/Scribner project has caused cracks of differences to develop into craters of mis-trust and downright hostility.
We have all watched, and listened, as one mis-step, misfortune, or misunderstanding after another has come to light as the mitigating circumstance by which so many projects have gone awry, been left uncompleted, or have become mired in controversy.
With all the problems facing our city, people are having a hard time understanding the massive expenditure, and trusting the decision making processes that have left us living in a city where:
Sewers are self-imploding
Drainage is a myth
Sidewalks are something the next street over gets
Garbage is reproducing
Meth-labs are rampant
and a myriad of other problems that are simply overwhelming...
...and we're just supposed to trust that everything has been carefully thought out and that decisions are being made that are in the best interests of the people who inhabit this small rivertown.
I (we) have a right to ask questions, expect (honest) answers, and to object if so inclined.
The antics that take place between our elected leaders at City-Council meetings is indicative of how much communication and understanding is going on among themselves.
I'm sorry, but coming in with newspapers under one arm to quote what so-and-so said about such-and-such, is a terribly unsettling example to witness for the public who entrusts these bodies of government to make long-term, multi-faceted decisions on our behalf.
The YMCA/Scribner project calls for a 17 year committment from Caesar's. That's a long time.
If I am expected to entrust that nothing would ever happen to that source of funding for 17 more years, well, gambling boats have come and gone in other towns. Then what?
For the Council members who are listening and responding to the voices of their constituents who want progress and growth, but well planned progress and smart growth, thank you.
We are not stupid, ignorant, recessive thinking globs of people. We are people who happen to have a different opinion, or aren't quite convinced that this is a good idea.
Admittedly, the project is going to happen regardless. But, what then?
How it is financed, and the agreement entered upon at the outset will determine it's true costs to the people of New Albany.
Another cause for pause appeared in last Friday's paper announcing the Redevelopment Commission (the true grant recipient, NOT the City) has hired an investment firm for a feasibility study of private development potential around the project. This $36,000 advise should have been sought out in the earlier stages of discussion. Now, we know that any talk of the development it will attract can truly be construed as nothing more than guesswork, as the feasibility study has not yet been done!

73 Comments:

  • Has there been a completed riverboat casino that has left a town in Indiana? If so, where and when, please?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:01 PM, June 20, 2005  

  • I agree with you totally, Laura, and thank you for pointing out that the people of New Albany are not a bunch of ignorant globs.

    Admitedly I was shocked to learn about the feasibility study which is just now being proposed. This should have been done a long time ago. How can people come up with such an expensive plan without thinking it through thoroughly? This scares the hell out of me.

    I just started attending the council meetings a few months ago, I always thought all the decisions were made in an orderly fashion and with knowledge of all of the facts, surprise, surprise. I am encouraging my friends to attend these meetings and find out what really goes on. So far I have not been very successful. I urge all of the citizens of NA to at least attend one meeting and see for yourself what all of the buzz is about. We cannot make informed decisions at the polls without all of the facts.

    By Blogger shirley baird, at 2:03 PM, June 20, 2005  

  • TAXPAYERS OF NEW ALBANY YOU NEED TO READ THIS: CAESARS RIVERBOAT CASINO FOUNDATION OF FLOYD COUNTY, INC. GRANT AWARD AGREEMENT: This Grant Agreement dated the 15th day of January,2003 by and between Caesars Riverboat Casino Foundation of Floyd County,Inc. (the "Grantor"). and the New Albany Redevelopment Commission ("Commission") and THE YMCA OF SOUTHERN iNDIANA,INC (THE "YMCA"), an Indiana not-for-profit corporation (collectively "the grantees"),memorializes the terms: (ETC.ETC.)The annual installments shall be paid directly to the Commission,except in year 2 and 3, when the installment shall be paid to the YMCA... 2.(d) Intended Use: The parties agree that the funds distributed under the terms of this agreement must be used in support of the project described above in paragraph (1) If the Grantees fail to complete the project,Grantor is relieved of any future obligation to fullfill it's commitment to pay any unpaid installments that remain at the time the project is abandoned. However, if the project is completed by entities other than the Commission or the YMCA, the Grantor,at its option,("READ THIS TAXPAYERS") may elect to transfer its obligation to fulfill the balance of payments due under this grant award to the enity that assumes responsibility for completion of the project. I say to you "Mayor Garner" you need to re-read this agreement. This agreement is between Caesars, New Albany Redevelopment Commission and the YMCA of Southern Indiana, Inc..... Not The City of New Albany Taxpayers". This Adminstration is trying to force this deal down the throats of The New Albany Taxpayers. Again this backs up Dan Coffey's plan. "Let then Build it and Pay for it" And leave The City Of New Albany Property Taxes out of this deal! Looks like this Adminstration has been "EXPOSED" again for not telling us the whole truth. Sell it to someone else "The Little People of New Albany" are not buying it and not paying for Scribner Place. (footnote: This information was brought to you for the sole purpose of each Taxpayer being told the truth. And being given the real facts. We have been mislead again) "How did this information leak out"....The Real Concern Taxpayer

    By Anonymous Concern Taxpayer, at 5:00 PM, June 20, 2005  

  • $36,000 study---- where are they getting the money to pay for the $36,000 study? City of New Albany is already paying an Economic Development Commissioner $36,000 out of EDIT. This salary was a line item of $25,000 approved in the 2005 EDIT budget. The Mayor hired this employee in at $36,000, which is $11,000 over the 2005 budget approved salary.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:02 PM, June 20, 2005  

  • Grant agreement:
    Are you talking about the $20,000 million grant from Caesar's over the twenty year period?

    If this is a public document, what office would be the one to ask for a copy?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:25 PM, June 20, 2005  

  • Based on this New Information brought to us by: Concern Taxpayer. This agreement is betweem Caesars-New Albany Redevelopment Commission and the YMCA. And the Mayor of New Albany again has lied to us. Based on my Legal Experience. This Adminstration has done a very serious "Misjustice" to each and every citizen of New Albany. Ms. Valla Ann Bolovschak Does Have Grounds For A Full Investigation on this Adminstration. Great job Concern Taxpayer for leaking this information. And we owe a Debt of Thanks to Ms. Bolovschak.

    By Anonymous Legalbeagle, at 5:30 PM, June 20, 2005  

  • How damn stupid does this Mayor think the taxpayer's are? Throw him outta office...

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:14 PM, June 20, 2005  

  • City Council Meeting July 7th. Time to make a stand folks. I am mad as hell over being misinformed. Did this Adminstration and so called Mayor think this would not get out?

    By Anonymous Proud Democrat, at 6:16 PM, June 20, 2005  

  • Bye-bye.

    By Anonymous the real world, at 9:38 PM, June 20, 2005  

  • This administration must think that Scribner Place is like the Field of Dreams: Build it and they will come.

    So far he and his Economic Development whiz kid have no players on the field and they want to hold property taxes hostage for this illusion, I DONT THINK SO !

    By Blogger Tim Deatrick, at 10:20 PM, June 20, 2005  

  • How can we ask for more clarification on the Grant Agreement with Caesar's Boat?

    There seem to a lot of questions that are
    not being answered. Is it really $20,000,000 as it has been quoted?
    Who is in charge of this $20,000,000? Who is making the decisions on the $20,000,000?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:39 PM, June 20, 2005  

  • It is time this mayor and his Adminstration are held accountiable for this Scribner Bogus deal. This should be investigated. And Mr. Garner should step down. I had a conversation with Councilman Kochert. And he says there is less than $800,000.00 left in the sewer fund. And there is over 1.2 million dollars of work that needs done now! And there is not enough money to fix the sewers. There is a sewer meeting tomorrow. And I want some answers. Every taxpayer in New Albany ought to be outraged. All this mayor is doing is misleading the people. No wonder no one has any damn answers for us. Great job concern taxpayer uncovering this information.

    By Blogger One voice, at 12:58 AM, June 21, 2005  

  • Redevelopment Commission-- Who makes up this Board? Who are they? When do they meet and where? Why haven't they come forward and told us that they were the
    body that has agreement with Caesars for the $20 million?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:32 AM, June 21, 2005  

  • Why are we just finding out who is behind the Scribner Place Deal? Thanks Concern Taxpayer for the heads up!

    By Anonymous Constance, at 7:55 AM, June 21, 2005  

  • We have been lied too again! Who do i contact. Let's call for an investigation.

    By Anonymous Schmeltz Family, at 8:12 AM, June 21, 2005  

  • Let me get this straight. If the agreement is between the New Albany Redevelopement Commission and Caesars where does the city of NA come in? Why are the citizens property taxes being put up as "collateral"? Why wasn't the city involved in the first place?
    This whole thing gets weirder every day. We need an investigation NOW!!!

    By Blogger shirley baird, at 8:32 AM, June 21, 2005  

  • We need to form a Citizen Group. Does anyone know how to contact Ms. Bolovschak? And we would also like to know why the Council Meetings are not on WNAS. Who do we contact?

    By Anonymous Linda/Dave Martin, at 8:32 AM, June 21, 2005  

  • shirley: That is the 20+ Million dollar Question! "WHY"

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:38 AM, June 21, 2005  

  • I even wonder what the truth is on Scribner Place? How much it will really cost us. YMCA should stand for: Your Mayor Can't Add!

    By Anonymous Mad As Hell Taxpayer, at 8:46 AM, June 21, 2005  

  • You guys should realize that the Redevelopment Commission is just an arm of city government, that manages certain grants and projects, like Scribner place. Commissioners are appointed by the mayor and the council.

    Nobody lied.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:51 AM, June 21, 2005  

  • I think it said the $36k was for a study and marketing to bring in private business's for Part 2 or Phase 2. The YMCA is pHase 1.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:09 AM, June 21, 2005  

  • Let's put this to a vote. Let everybody have a say instead of a precious few.

    By Anonymous mary hatfield, at 9:53 AM, June 21, 2005  

  • WE VOTED FOR MAYOR AND COUNCIL TO REPRESENT US.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:58 AM, June 21, 2005  

  • To clarify an earlier response, I don't think that you are correct on your description of Redevelopment Commission.

    Your description of Redevelopment as an arm of the city government is not quite right, I believe. Will check and let you know.

    In fact, I think that Redevelopment already has approved a bond on Scribner Place. May be about $2 million to be
    repaid by Caesars grant money.

    Will keep checking and will share.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:26 AM, June 21, 2005  

  • You folks keep voting in the same old family names that have kept this city a one horse town for too many years. Look for a more progressive candidate and help get them elected and maybe, just maybe you might have something worthy of your dripping tax dollars that will not leave you going, huh?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:09 AM, June 21, 2005  

  • You can bet I will be there for the city council meeting on July 7.
    We need some answers.

    By Anonymous anne nelson, at 11:22 AM, June 21, 2005  

  • I also got a copy of the Agreement. And it says "No Where" City Of New Albany! Let the YMCA PAY FOR IT! Yes we have been lied too. No wonder the City Council can't figure out the money sisution. This Adminstration is not giving all the facts. When you really think about it. It could be alot more than $20 MILLION. Not with my damn taxes.

    By Anonymous Seniors Against Scribner Place, at 11:26 AM, June 21, 2005  

  • OK the city needs 1.2mil for the sewer repairs and we have 800k. Why can't we use that 400k in Edit money that they were talking about at the last council meeting to make up the difference?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:27 PM, June 21, 2005  

  • REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MEMBERS:

    Info from City web page on internet-

    Irving Joshua, Pres. 944-2136
    Bill Chilton, Vice Pres. 944-1444
    Eddie Hancock 944-6068
    Jack Messer 949-9638
    Dan Coffey 949-1262

    John Rosenbarger,
    Redevelopment Director 948-1474

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:26 PM, June 21, 2005  

  • Jack Messer Dan coffey City Council Members. Well isn't that Interesting. I would like to know why no one bothered to inform the PEOPLE AND tAXPAYER OF THIS AGREEMENT. tHEY THOUGHT THEY WAS GOING TO PLAY A dOUG eNGLAND ON US. Wonder what other surprises they got up there sleeve?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:07 PM, June 21, 2005  

  • Umm...see...well, the PEOPLE AND tAXPAYER were informed of this agreement. If you'd like, go back to the New Albany Tribune Article written on March 13, 2003. In that newspaper you'll find an article which outlines what was signed by the Redevelopment Commission.

    It's available at http://www.news-tribune.net/articles/2003/03/13/news/export5560.txt

    Enjoy!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:53 PM, June 21, 2005  

  • By the way, the Redevelopment Commission is the same thing as the City. Any legal beagle could tell you that; just look at IC 36-7-14-3. That's the part of the Indiana code that allows cities to set up redevelopment commissions. To paraphrase Bill Cosby, cities can bring these Commissions into the world, and can, (presumably), take them out. The City is ultimately responsible for the Redevelopment Commission. So, it is not right to try to differentiate between the two entities.

    Sorry to ruin everyones fun. It is entertaining, though.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:02 PM, June 21, 2005  

  • Boy, that Shirley Nelson is something, ain't she? or he?

    By Anonymous caught ya, at 4:55 PM, June 21, 2005  

  • Response to recent article on Redevelopment Commmission........

    Question? Do you have documents/resolutions to prove that the
    proposed $15 or $16 million loan was
    processed first through the Redevelopment Commission, the named "grantee", before
    trying to push this through the City Council?
    When you are messing with a $20 million grant that you could lose, and a $15 million loan, don't you think that it would be best to have your ducks in order?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:56 PM, June 21, 2005  

  • Thank you, Anonymous for the lead to the
    Tribune article on March 13, 2003.

    The last part of that article states,
    "The Redevelopment Commission will hold a
    special meeting on March 23, 2003, in the
    Assembly Room to consider bond resolutions."

    That sentence kind of backs up a previous
    poster who remarked about having your
    ducks in order.

    The council involvement was for the EDIT money and there was no mention of
    a back up by property taxes at that time.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:25 PM, June 21, 2005  

  • Wanna know what I think would be interesting?

    Not to know the names of the posters here, but their AGES.

    By Anonymous Eubie Blake, at 7:26 PM, June 21, 2005  

  • We agree with the suggestion of Councilman Dan Coffey. He said that the YMCA should be the leaders in the Scribner Place Project. It is now clearer than ever since the YMCA is named as a grantee in the Caesar's Award agreement.
    The YMCA has the respect of all citizens and that would take city politics out of the project. Caesars would probably welcome the idea of YMCA heading the project. I am sure that Caesars dread dealing with city politics.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:34 PM, June 21, 2005  

  • Then again, Caesars may be wondering why it's so damn difficult to give away $20 million and deciding, based on the actions of a few ignorant, ungrateful, fear mongering citizens, to never give New Albany anything again.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:49 PM, June 21, 2005  

  • another point to consider: the lead clean up issue. When I asked The Rasputin of Redevelopment John Rosenbharger about the clean up plan last fall he indicated that IDEM had approved the lead mitigation plan, but at the last council meeting he said ut had not been signed off on.

    Folks I got news for you, if the lead contamination is worse than the crack environmental engineers the city retained said in their report this could easily become an EPA issue and I expect certain environmental groups will be watching this.

    By Blogger Tim Deatrick, at 10:20 PM, June 21, 2005  

  • I wonder if Donnie "in an oblivion" Blevins will be absent at this council meeting too?

    By Blogger Tim Deatrick, at 11:05 PM, June 21, 2005  

  • Thank you, Laura, for your time and efforts to give the citizens of New Albany a real sounding board. We are all learning from each other about finding information.

    We can share and even disagree without the anger that we have seen on other blog sites.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:19 PM, June 21, 2005  

  • Tim, Donnie is something you'll never know, and that's conscientious. He wants to be part of the solution, not part of the problem.

    You, Tim, know where you should be on these issues, and with whom, but your dysfunction is simply too great, and that's unfortunate. We all regret how you didn't score the job you wanted, but the fact you didn't get it shouldn't sour you on the constructive part you might play if only you'd allow yourself to play it.

    By Anonymous Kathy Smith, at 12:00 AM, June 22, 2005  

  • Thanks for the compliment, "caught ya" but my name is Shirley Baird.

    I don't think anyone said they wanted to give back the 20million to Ceasars. Like I said earlier, turning down a gift like that would be foolish. We "ignorant, ungrateful, fear mongering citizens" want this handled properly and leave our property tax out of the mix.

    I cannot fathom why some people take it personally when others disagree with them and start calling them names. For people who appear to be intelligent you sure lack social development.

    Please, let us discuss the ISSUES and leave the name calling out. Adults can disagree and still respect each others opinions.

    I still think we need to have a vote so that all of the citizens can have a say in what happens to our city. Does anyone know how to make this happen? I also like the idea of a citizens group. This group can compile all of the facts and present them to the people in an unbiased way and let everyone decide. After all we are the people who would be using the facilities, or not.

    By Blogger shirley baird, at 7:51 AM, June 22, 2005  

  • Several weeks ago after leaving a City Council meeting. I stopped and had a conversation with Jack Messer. City Councilman. And inquired about the clean up of double seven property. He told me the property alone to clean up would cost over a Million Dollars. And I ask him about Scribner Place. His comment to me was if we don't use the money for Scribner Place we will lose the money? Which to this date still makes no sense. When I sit at Council meetings and hear the debates on this issue and that issue. When the bottom line is there are so many needs of the Citizens of this town. I feel our Sewers is a big concern of all of us. This goes back as far as Mayor Ernie.

    By Blogger One voice, at 8:43 AM, June 22, 2005  

  • Shirley Baird,

    Not to be rude, but not every comment posted here is directed at or about you.

    But, perhaps you can explain what term, other than fear mongering, you would use to describe the actions of someone like concern taxpayer who has continuously provided false information in an attempt to scare people.

    This last bit was especially humorous. He provided a public document as secret, leaked information and then tried to convince people that the Redevelopment Commission isn't part of the city.

    I'm not sure about you, but I have a hard time respecting someone who lies to me repeatedly.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:43 AM, June 22, 2005  

  • Thirty days ago it was announced at a public meeting through the sewer board that the sewer dept. had a balance of 4.8 million dollars--it was in the paper----can't this money be used for repairs????????

    By Blogger knighttrain, at 10:12 AM, June 22, 2005  

  • nighttrain: I had a conversation with Mr. Kochert yesterday and he did confirm there is less than $800,000.00. And that alot information put out on this blog concerning several Millions to spend. Is not the truth. May I suggest anyone wanting additional information either attend Sewer Board meeting or call Mr. Kochert. He is willing to all the people who have questions.

    By Anonymous Concern Taxpayer, at 10:29 AM, June 22, 2005  

  • Laura: How can we set up a Citizen group?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:18 PM, June 22, 2005  

  • We need to start a petition for an Investigation? Anybody out here got any ideas? It seems to me we are not being told the truth. And based on the YMCA Agreement some body is trying to cover up this.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:25 PM, June 22, 2005  

  • anonymous,

    I am not so vain as to think that every comment posted here is about me.

    I was referring to the comments made about many of the people who post on this blog. As to Concern Taxpayer, I don't believe he is lying.

    By Blogger shirley baird, at 12:50 PM, June 22, 2005  

  • Shirley,

    So what evidence can you provide that the Redevelopment Commision isn't a branch of city government?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:57 PM, June 22, 2005  

  • Careful Kathy Smith you are being mean to Tim and that is NOT allowed on this board.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:27 PM, June 22, 2005  

  • Sorry, but CM Blevins was out of town on family business.

    Is attending a funeral of a family member justification for missing one council meeting?

    Just who is the pied pipper of this outfit, who is it that is leading you idots over the cliff?

    Think about that one!

    By Anonymous Timsaasswipe, at 2:13 PM, June 22, 2005  

  • Laura's the Pied Piper!!

    By Anonymous aesop, at 3:15 PM, June 22, 2005  

  • The citizens group is a good idea that
    could help all of us be more informed.
    What about VOICE OF THE PEOPLE for a title?
    A long time ago, the Tribune used to run a section on page 2 called VOICE OF THE PEOPLE. We miss that section.

    We have a very talented person in our
    community who could help organize the
    citizens group.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:05 PM, June 22, 2005  

  • Laura------ I appreciate your efforts to bring this type of open forum to the citizens in New Albany. I am sorry to say that I don't relate to the vocabulary or type of remarks that
    I find on other blogs that have appeared here in New Albany.

    Compliments to you for keeping your blogspot honorable.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:40 PM, June 22, 2005  

  • Honorable?

    Whoa.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:34 PM, June 22, 2005  

  • I am not sure that all of the viewers will agree with my comments, but, I offer this with best intentions.
    _____________________________________
    We should all should be thankful for the fine things we have here in New Albany.

    - New Albany-Floyd Co School System
    - Carnegie Museum
    - New Albany-Floyd Co Public Library
    - New Albany Police Department
    - New Albany Fire Department
    - Main Street Preservation Area
    - Floyd County Memorial Hospital
    - Churches of many demoninations.
    - Salvation Army
    - St. Elizabeth's House
    - Cherry Valley Golf Course
    - Binford Park
    - Bicknell Park
    - Community Park
    - 4H Grounds
    - Riverfront Amphitheatre
    - National Guard Armory
    -VFW Organizations to honor veterans

    Why don't you all think positive and
    help me add to this list.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:35 PM, June 22, 2005  

  • Let me begin by saying I am for the Scribner Project and the YMCA. This project will be a welcome addition to the downtown area. How this project is financed is where my concerns are.

    After trying for nearly two years, I was able to receive a copy of the Grant award agreement. After studying this agreement, I could not find any section where the city of New Albany was listed as a grantee. The New Albany Redevelopment Commission of which I was recently appointed and the YMCA of Southern Indiana Inc. are listed as Grantees.

    This raises the question to why should the city be responsible for the backing of bonds for this project. While the city maybe able to get a lower interest rate, it also puts a great deal of responsibility on the residents of this City. That is why I will be introducing a fourth option before the City Council.

    The option that I will be proposing is simple, yet allows the project to go forward, without any burden being put upon the taxpayers. It will also allow edit money to be freed, so we would be able to better serve the citizens of our City.

    The option I propose simply put. Allow the YMCA to become the Grantee of the Caesar’s Foundation Grant, which is clearly stated in the original agreement;

    Section 2 paragraph d; Intended Use. The parties agree that the funds distributed under the terms of this agreement must be used to support of the project described above in paragraph (1). If the Grantees fail to complete the project, Grantor is relieved of any future obligation to fulfill its commitment to pay any upaid installments that remain at the time the project is abandoned. However, if the project is complete by entities other than the Commission or the YMCA, then Grantor, at its option, may elect to transfer its obligation to fulfill the balance of payments due under this grant award to the entity that assumes responsibility for completion of the project.

    Using this will allow us to use hundreds of thousands of dollars per year towards new sanitation equipment, roads, drainage problems, and other obligations, we as elected officials, could and should be doing to better serve our community.

    I would like to bring to your attention that Scriber Project may seek financing by the issuance of bonds through other entities aside from the City.

    The City needs to look at future issues that will require bonding; such as a potential jail expansion, storm water treatment – possible future EPA mandate.

    Thus the reason behind the plan I am introducing before the council simply allows the City to save money and save taxpayers money.

    It’s simple
    Dan J Coffey

    By Anonymous Dan J Coffey, at 10:52 PM, June 22, 2005  

  • Right On Dan Coffey, now that makes a lot of sense.

    By Blogger Tim Deatrick, at 11:02 PM, June 22, 2005  

  • We agree with you Councilman Coffey.
    You are showing support for the Scribner Project and presenting a plan
    that could help the city take care of needed repairs.

    Thank you, for doing the research and
    the courage to stand up for what is best for the city.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:23 PM, June 22, 2005  

  • This is refreshing. Let's go point by point.

    1) The City, in effect, is synonymous with the New Albany Redevelopment Commission. The City established the Redevelopment Commission. It is created by the city, it can be terminated by the city, it is a part of City government.

    2) The City should be involved with this project for several reasons. First, the lower interest rate means significant savings for the project. Second, one of the reasons Redevelopment Commissions were created by the General Assembly is to help with "the clearance, replanning, and redevelopment of blighted areas" because those are "public uses and purposes for which public money may be spent and private property may be acquired." That's right in the statute (IC 36-7-14-2). Projects like Scribner Place are why cities choose to create Redevelopment Commissions; the Commissions are the mechanisms to get these things done.

    3) The only way that future EDIT funds would be tied up is if Caesars, for some reason, doesn't meet it's obligations under the grant. When the money comes from Caesars, the EDIT funds will be released. This will allow the City to attack all of those problems that were listed.

    4) I'm sorry, but I don't see the point in using Economic Development funds for a jail expansion. Bigger jails don't mean economic development. Bigger jails are paid for in other ways.

    5) There are grants from EPA/IDEM on the way for Storm Water Treatment, and there are revolving loan programs already in place. When the new mandates come down in the future, the City will be able to deal with it.

    6) The final argument why we should do this is not the strongest on it's face, but it says alot about where we are: cities and towns across the state, and the nation, use municipal bonding exactly in this way. Cities and towns use this authority to help worthy projects move forward without massive debt burdens.

    Let this project move forward without it costing millions of dollars more than it needs to.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:54 PM, June 22, 2005  

  • To Anonymous and to all of New Albany Taxpayers. Again we are being mislead about: THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. It is a seperate Entity. The Redevelopment Budget is not a part of the New Albany City Budget. Redevlopment Commission spends HUD (FEDERAL) money and answers to HUD office in Indianapolis. The 5 member Commission is it's own Authority. Indiana Code describes Redevelopment: See IC code: 1C 36-7-14-11 Duties of Commissions. See 1C code: 1C 36-7-14-12.2 Powers of The Commission. See 1C code: 1C 36-7-14-25.1 Issuance of Bonds. Redevelopment Commission is not like other City Departments under the Mayor such as Building Commission, Planning Commission, Board of Works. The Mayor does appoint 3 Members and the Council appoints 2 Members. So again Taxpayers of New Albany this Adminstration is trying to put there "OWN SPIN" on this Scribner Agreement! Again I say let the "YMCA and THE CAESARS FOUNDATION" Build it and Pay For Scribner Place without using Property Taxes to back Bond Money.

    By Anonymous Concern Taxpayer, at 12:27 AM, June 23, 2005  

  • The Coffey plan makes more sense than
    anything that we have seen. YMCA is a
    respected and trusted organization.

    Scribner Place could go ahead without
    the political bickering.

    Scribner Place would be in limbo every time City Administration changes every four years. Each new Mayor would put his/her spin on it. We can see that going on right now after Garner replaced Overton. We do not want to see that for the next 20 years

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:54 AM, June 23, 2005  

  • THREE CHEERS FOR THE YMCA PLAN.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:56 AM, June 23, 2005  

  • The YMCA plan could bring respect to
    Scribner Place and bring all the
    supporters together without all this
    political bickering.

    Take POLITICS out of Scribner Place and let YMCA be the leader.

    YMCA IS NAMED ON THE GRANT AGREEMENT WITH CAESARS. CAESARS SHOULD BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH A RESPECTED ORGANIZATION LIKE YMCA.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:29 AM, June 23, 2005  

  • We could acheive the same effect by simply voting Coffey out of office. He's the main source of political bickering and now expects us to be proud of him for pointing out the mess he's worked so hard to build. Your fear and self-loathing need to have others tell you what to think are what keeps him in office.

    He's made it clear that he doesn't think the city should take any responsibility for its own development and you people are backing him up by making the argument that Caesars and other private organizations should not do business with the City of New Albany. "You don't want us. We're screwed up." Nice work, development gurus.

    Maybe one day we'll have a city in which the government and the citizens are actually willing to hold themselves accountable for the future.

    Until then, enjoy your low self esteem and the squalor that it creates.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:09 AM, June 23, 2005  

  • Has anyone entertained the Coffey idea?

    It appears to be win-win. New Albany gets a YMCA/Scribner Place and the taxpayers aren't left with the huge debt hanging over their heads.

    By what I have read and heard - there isn't any factual reason why the Coffey plan can't be implemented.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:10 AM, June 23, 2005  

  • Why is it that embarrassing the city, v.v. the "Coffey Plan", seems to provide so much enjoyment for the people here?

    Does everyone here have an inferiority complex like Danny Boy?

    Just because you lack the ability to create, it doesn't mean you should stand in the way of those who can. Oh, but I forgot - it's about hatred, isn't it?

    By Anonymous Colonel Klink, at 10:54 AM, June 23, 2005  

  • First politicians like Coffey, Price and Schmidt started the political bickering, now Coffey puts forth a plan to end the bickering he started.

    Why is such an obvious political hack so appealing?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:39 PM, June 23, 2005  

  • SQUALOR is a good description of the streets of New Albany. An earlier posting used that term.

    Why can't the Scribner people look allaround New Albany and see the mess that the city continues to ignore?

    Citizens could be more energetic about Scribner Place, if the same
    fervor was being used to clean up
    New Albany. We are now on our 2nd
    appointed Building Commissioner and no more results that the first one.

    Why doesn't the Tribune run the old
    picutes of EYESORE OF THE WEEK again?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:57 PM, June 29, 2005  

  • No one argues that squalor is a defining characteristic of the city, but why can't Scribner Place and ordinance enforcement both move ahead at the same time?

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